Very nice idea ! I do not have time to track discussions on riot, but I will be glad to have a summary somewhere else !
Julien Fastré Le 17/12/18 à 18:42, Steven Clays a écrit : > Wow, nice work. Very efficient. I hope you can keep this up! > > Op ma 17 dec. 2018 om 11:47 schreef Tim Couwelier > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > First of all, a short introduction. Based on discussion in chat, we > feel it'd be good to open up about what's discussed in the Riot (or > IRC) chat channel, and distribute a summary of it (on a weekly > basis) through forum and mailinglist. For now this is a > one-man-operation, we'll see how it evolves over time. > > Input/feedback/extended discussion can be had through talk-be, the > riot channel or the belgian subsection of the openstreetmap.org > <http://openstreetmap.org> fora. > > (Note: I'm fully aware I'm probably a highly 'unknown' person to > many people within this mailinglist. I've talked through trying to > do this with Joost, and was met with his approval. If anyone has > questions about me or my part in this, do let me know.) > > > > > > > > *_Monday 10/12/2018_* > > Glenn informs about how to map a 'tractorsluis' (physical > construction to allow tractors to pass, but not normal cars). > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dsump_buster > > bxl-forever asks about how to map a certain type of barrier/fence. > fence_type = railing seems the best fit > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type) > > Seppe points out there's a Mapillary grant program for camera's. > Requires 50k+ uploaded pictures to be taken into consideration. > > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrPJcRGlh_FQCQCuZkk0tCK9317odk5RYeYfI2UruCzJW31Q/viewform > > Jakka suggests supplying a basic simple template using osm-be tiles > to implement a map into a website. > Most agree this would be good, issue created on the osmbe-website > github. > > > *_Tuesday 11/12/2018_* > > Timcouwelier points out tiles are loading very slow,. > Escada confirms there's indeed issues, linking to the status page > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status) > > Jakka asks about how to map mobil telephone antennae attached to > power towers. > Lionel_giard replies /'you only use > communication:mobile_phone/radio/...=yes/no for the transmission > equipment. The others tags are all for the structure. '/ > > > *_Wednesday 12/12/2018_* > > Timcouwelier asks about tagging suggestions for an entrace ramp to a > hospital with an overhead roof. > Tagging as a bridge seems an option, but would not match with using > 'tunnel' for the covered part under the building + it's rendered > overly heavy. Consensus is to split the ramp and mark an 'incline = > up' and 'incline = down', but to not add percentage as it's unknown. > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/incline#valuesapparantly > shows 2 uses for 'incline = steep_as_hell' > > Lionel_giard ask about how to map an 'internaat' (living quarters at > school for students not going home during the week). > This is a recurring question, but there's nothing beyond building = > residential. However, it should still clarify sufficient in > combination with amenity = school around it. > > Timcouwelier asks about options in Overpass Turbo: building on a > query that selects all ways based on having a node last touched by a > given user, is there an option to do that for TWO users and style > them differently? > Joost offers a workaround through mapcontrib, by using two layers > with a different query, and working with two different styles. > > s8evq asks about possible missing attribution to OSM in the maps > used by postnl.be <http://postnl.be>. > Contact is made based on the following input by Joost: > / If you want to deal with it yourself, add it to this list and > write them a message: > //https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Websites#List_2/ > > A reply from wegspotter to a question by Glenn on 'slow roads', > raises discussion on how to deal with getting 'complete' info, as > the requirements for the vicinal ref ( > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads) > requires info that's not visible possible to retrieve in the field. > > *_Thursday 13/12/2018_* > > Discussion on the vicinal roads continues. > Neither atlas number, the vicinal_type (sentier vs chemin) can be > found without external sources. > Tim re-links the WMS for the atlas for most provinces, but before > editing them into the wiki, Joost plans to check to what extent they > are 'within license' to use as a source. Suggestion is made (by > himself) to remind him from time to time not to forget about this. > > Discussion on the wiki status for the vicinal road tagging, raises > issues about communication of such wiki edits, where escada points > out ideally issues like that should get picked up either in riot > channel or through the mailing list. Timcouwelier adds that ideally, > to keep discussion / progress / knowledge / information spread > widely, it'd probably be a good idea to created a weekly digest of > what's discussed in the riot channel, both for later reference but > also to open up the discussions with those not actively reading the > channel. > > That in mind, timcouwelier creates a framapad to start taking notes > for a weekly digest, to be sent to talk-be, and writes up a first > prelimary version for this week. > > Lionel_giard asks about rendering status - it's still down, and > there seem to be more issues with the Amsterdam tileserver. > > Juminet announces an OpenStreetMap Arlon meetup > (https://www.meetup.com/nl-NL/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/257183572/) > and informs about adding it to the osm-be calendar and maptime, or > to be told how to do it. It appears creating a PR (pull request) > here gets the job done: > https://github.com/osmbe/website/tree/master/_posts/events > > Joost suggests a revert of changes by this user: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/NTSB/and asks for assistance in > doing so. Midgard helps out. > > Suggestion is made that - if tileservers remain having issues - > osm-be or osm-fr tiles can be used, which in turn raises questions > on their update frequency. Jonathan explains that currently the > osm-be tiles are updated approximately once a month, but the process > (mostly starting/stopping) the rendering server is a manual process. > He intends to keep a closer watch in 2019, to shorten update cycles. > > Jakka points out there's a new source of incoming 'notes', generated > through http://amenagements-cyclables.fr/fr/contributions/5871, > often low quality. Joost will try to get in touch with the app devs. > As a side question, Tim asks where Jakka tracks notes (through a map > or a feed). Jakka responds with his source feed > (http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Belgium) > > *_Friday 14/12/2018_* > > Tim has contacted the city of Roeselare to point out their google > maps 'map page' isn't working, suggesting the use of OSM instead. > > The discussion on vicinal roads continues, with some background on > them, legal status and such. Tagging should be tackled on two > levels: the 'designation' tag and the tags for the vicinal roads. > > For designation, wegspotter proposes this: > > So for designation in Flanders & Brussels, we have basically 3 > statutes. > > * /designation=vicinal_road/(it appears in the atlas or in > modifiyng documents) > > * /designation=communal_road_ss/(it is property of the > municipality & it is destinied for public use & it does not > appear in the atlas of vicinal roads) > > * /designation=right_of_way_ss /(it is a public right of way, but > does not show up in the atlas of vicinal roads > > In Wallonia, you only have one category designation=communal_road > (without the ss, since the Flemish/Brussels situation is stricter > > > By extension, for the vicinal roads we'd come to this: (based on an > example picture by escada) > > * /name = Speecaertweg/ > > * /vicinal_ref = Voetweg 44 /(yes with the Voetweg --> because we > also add N/A/E) > > * /official_vicinal_ref/= SMB_44_1 (usually the ref that can only > be found in documents, gets 'official', there is already an > official_name and official_ref that have the same purpose). > > * /designation=vicinal/(Flanders) or /designation /= communal > (Wallonia)l. > > > Plan of action is for wegspotter to make the required wiki edits for > the vicinal roads tagging scheme, communicatie / discuss through > riot/forum/talk-be mailing and then start applying it. As a second > stage, an attempt can be made to formalise the /designation = > */tagging on a wider level, but to not let that hold back the > (smaller) argument on how we tag vicinal roads in belgium. Escada > refers to his imagery available for demo images to implement in the > wiki, pietervdvn explains how to use the images in wiki edits. > > Related to the argument, Wegspotter also shared a document on slow > roads / vicinal roads and their (legal) statuses. > > Pietervdvn informs he's hosting a session with Westtoer (provincial > tourism agency for West-Flanders), and asks if any topics in > specific should be stressed towards this target group. Tim points > out that 'ensuring the source data they proces is within license for > using for OSM'. > > Some discussion is raised on 'duplicate tagging', more specifically > 'manually adding tags for something that is implicitly a consequence > of other tags'. Glen refers to this page: ( > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgium) > and points out only that given the rules have some > /implicit/consequences, you should only map the exceptions through > /explicit/tagging. > > Wegspotter asks if 'tracktype' can also be applied to paths. It's > countered tracktype should be considered strictly for use on 'tracks'. > > Tim asks about tagging suggestions for an indoor building for sports. > Doudou suggests leisure = sports_centre, escada suggests building = > sports_hall (as the latter implies more directly to the building > rather then the broader site) > > Some tracing back to earlier discussions on street names happens: > - Joost received feedback on the spelling over Breeërweg (which is > in GRB as Breeerweg). They agree it's technically incorrect, but > that is like that officially and the municipality sticks to it, so > they follow that version. > - Reference is made to the equally (technically incorrect) spelling > for street names in Vilvoorde, which in GRB have a different format > then what ground truth (street signs) show. > Suggestion is for those cases to add a/note="the name is not the > official name but we chose to following street names as used on > traffic signs, not the official notation" . /Note: as this point > that is merely a suggestion. > > > *_Saturday 17/12/2018_* > > Escada picks up on a question from Joost the night before: > /adding access=no to a highway=cycleway that has bicylce=yes: that > seems unwanted, no? / > His reply refers to > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgiumand > states that mostly the difference you can have, tends to be in the > nature of mopeds being 'permissive' or not. > Jakka adds to it by suggestion to stick to moped_a, moped_b and > moped_p as keys rather then their capitalized versions. Normally the > use of capital letters is restricted to where names require them. > > Wegspotter refers to having updated this page: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads&wteswitched=1#Trage_wegen_Inventoryand > suggest proofreading / input. > As a side point, rendering of tracks based on access types gets > discussed. Escada adds that to this day, the default rendering is > mostly car-oriënted, but that the location to make suggestions is > here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues. > He also links to two related issues. > > Joost announces having been elected into the OSMF board, with a > round of congratulations all around to celebrate the news. Some > discussion about the voting (and the nature of the voting system > used here, and other systems in other contexts) follows. > > Ubipo asks for help with turn lane relations and the JOSM plugin > for it. Midgard replies it's not common practice in Belgium to use > them, as we go for /turn:lanes /tagging. Given ubipo was mostly > trying to fix the broken relation, and the suggested tagging is in > place, the relation gets removed. > > > *_Sunday 18/12/2018_* > > Jakka asks about ta default mail template to point out missing > attribution in webpages, given it's lacking > here://https://vrijeparking.be/vindparking. s8evq points here: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Joost_schouppe/Coprightbrieven#Gouden_Gids, > and Jakka sent the e-mail. > > Joost asks about these marker stones he found in Hallerbos ( > https://photos.app.goo.gl/eHuqsztJJoSg1GMh9), which he assumes to be > old border marker stones. No input is given beyond 'that's what we > would get as well' > > Escada points out he's having issues with user BHiko's work. It > looks like it's a (manual) import of data for networks found through > knooppuntnet, and in the proces deleting/replacing network data > known to be correct. The user seems however difficult to reach, so > if anyone has a somewhat direct line to the person, please let us > know. Requesting a block through DWG is at this point an option to > consider. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
