I added some A23 here and there around Leuven. It made me realise I don't have recent Mapillary images for many streets in Leuven to determine where exactly those school zone30 start and end... Time to go out and cycle to make more pictures, I guess.
Jo On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 9:52 AM Tim Couwelier <tim.couwel...@gmail.com> wrote: > F4a should remain yes, despite both implying the same speed limit, UNLESS > the local gov removed the F4a signs due to the 'fietszone' completely > overlapping with the 'zone 30'. > Ideally, for the 'zone 30', differentiate between 'normal' with F4a only > and 'school- zone 30' (F4a + A23) > > If there's living streets within, I'd say the restrictions 'stack': no > overtaking, 20 km/h. > There may actually be a slight nuance here - generally in case of possible > contradiction, the rule applies 'traffic sign takes priority over traffic > rules'. The speed limits in both fietszone and living_street are traffic > rules, but this might leave a loophole where 'zone 30' as a sign takes > priority. > > There used to be a loophole where a C43 70km/h would trump the 50km/h > speed limit in a built up area until the first intersection (extent of the > validity for the C43) but afaik that's been 'patched' in legislation now. > This might just be an unforeseen edge case opening another such loophole, > although I'm not 100% sure on this. > > > Sidenote: I think I agree with not making a seperate sign for this, but > just giving it a 'zonal' extent. If anything, F4a/b signs existing as such > is confusing. But then again, so were the original streetsigns as they were > semi-assumed to be zonal, but the law wasn't overly specific (and didn't > mention it being zonal). Readability, in database or map format, is far > better if you speak of 'zonal C43' and 'zonal F111' without having to know > another number for the same type of thing. > > Op zo 30 aug. 2020 om 14:50 schreef Jo <winfi...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> I added the new fietsstraatzones in Leuven to the map. They will be in >> vigor on September 1st. The legislator didn't create a separate sign, they >> just decided that it's allowed use F111 on a ZONE sign... >> >> I do like to distinguish between the 'real' cycle streets and the >> 'pretenders', so the ones inside zones and the ones connecting the zones, I >> guess. I used BE:F111zone as the traffic_sign. I may have done something >> silly though, as I removed the F4a from the traffic sign tag. >> >> If you search for F111 you get all. >> If you search for F111zone you get all the ones inside the zones. >> If you search for "F111 -F111zone" in JOSM, you get only the cyclestreets >> with an actual cycle street sign. >> >> If you search for F4a you get all the streets inside the zone30, but the >> cycle streets are not included in that. How do we want to work with zones >> within zones? There are also parking zones... >> >> Should I have put traffic_sign=BE:F111;BE:F4a;BE:F1a ? >> >> Initially I didn't because both are limited to 30km/h, but now I'm >> thinking I should have. >> >> What about the living_street ways? They are also inside the zone30 (and >> in built-up area), but the traffic rules that apply are BE:F12a. Do we add >> BE:F12a;BE:F4a;BE:F1a ? >> >> Jo >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> Talk-be@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> >
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