Hi again Tom, cc: Daniel @NRCan, talk-ca Now that the canvec.osm files are becoming available, i'm afraid that I (myself) wont be the one who will be 'pounding' the servers, but rather a whole lot of happy Canadians from all over the country doing work simultaneously.
On the one-hand, we will have newbie mappers who are all excited to help, and jumping in and just uploading (and not thinking, or rather, more accurately no knowing exactly what they are doing. Yes, it's great to have more help. ... but.... My recommendation is that people jump in the #osm-ca IRC chat so then help is right here, however, there is no way to be able to see that 'bulk_imploppers' dont start dropping in data and making a big mess. (a TIGER mess) ... but not as big. For example, i was working on the Halifax water area and connecting the boundary of the multi-polygon to the coastline edge by adding in more nodes, when another mapper (more local) was actually working on residential area... just as i was. But not aware of what IRC is. (It took me some time to actually know WHAT IRC is and WHAT Pigin is.) Daniel, So is there anyway to slow down the volume of data so that only requested areas are made available? Tom, Basically... there is NO way of controlling how much data is being loaded.. when the tap is running. Like the Oil Spill in the Gulf. If the data is being made available, we instantly have hundreds of (boats) out there ready to help... and doing work. But alot of the work ends up being redundent as there are better methods... ie. a solution would be that all the boats work together to put out a GIANT wall (net) around the area, so to control the size of the flow. working as 1 boat dropping the net & the others behind it cleaning up the stuff that got left over. & re-inforcing the net with more heavier plastic.... to put the weight down. But ..... since there are many languages and boats and companies involved, there is no coordination. and the oil keeps on flowing all over the place... and little gets picked up. and flow is left to go to the shore. (coastline) .... and yes, we will mess up the worlds coastline :-) lol.... ... unless we fix this now :) I have a Google Docs chart available that is Open Access (listing the tile #'s and names) that people can write in what area they are working on. ... and a Wiki-chart is not big enough to handle it all in real-time... And the other idea (#OSM IRC folks) say "dont clutter the map with Squares' that are not part of the map". However, having these squares in the map... people WILL see them, and (at least ask).. then people can use these squares as 'nets' and write in the name of the net & the status of it. This way, everyone can see what everyone is working on. And i HIGHLY RECOMMED :) that we use "landuse=construction" (or whatever else you decide) when the area is active (.osm data available) and being worked on. Daniel can be the one to watch the volume, (hopefully) only make the requested files available) until all these bugs are found. Then (myself or somoene else) can easily add in the 'nets' for the data available. We just need KMZ files for the quad-tree... or even just blanket the NTS area, as the entire NTS area will be under construction. So, (for the sake of not pounding the OSM servers) with enthusiastic Canadians, speaking many languages & many levels of experience, all being so 'helpful' .... Would you permit the use of 'Nets' (NTS tile squares) in the OSM database, so then they can get listed as 'under construction' as people start working in (and as the data is available)??? We DO plan on removing these 'nets' as soon as all the data (oil) has been imported & all the fish (dupNodes) saved. ... until the next (available .canvec.osm) data becomes available. Cheers, Sam On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tom Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: > On 14/06/10 15:47, Sam Vekemans wrote: > >> So my question for Tom is, what would be a 'normal volume' that you >> would recommend that users stick to so that it doesnt over-load the >> servers? > > I have no idea what a "normal volume" is. > >> Do you have a list of recommendations that we can follow as a 'best >> practice?' > > The normal rules apply - don't do anything that causes you to appear on my > radar and we'll all be happy ;-) > > I would also add that you might want to consider holding off for a while as > we're getting quite short of disk space at the moment. There will be some > more coming on line this week probably which will give us a bit of headroom. > > Tom > > -- > Tom Hughes ([email protected]) > http://compton.nu/ > _______________________________________________ Talk-ca mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
