Oh ya, and the reason for the stall on the import, was because we wanted to 'inject' the data into OSM in 1 swoop.
Because of the technical differences in ideas of 'what is OpenStreetMap?' There is a difference, as this data is actually '1 giant web' of relations, rather than the traditional approach of copying in 1 way at a time. For CommonMap, the approach is to inject it directly as there is not an data to interfer with. For OpenStreetMap however, there is a challenge because it is available to everyone in real-time, and there is no actual coordination efforts (besides this talk-ca list and the #osm-ca IRC chat.) So if the osm-ca community wants to have the data imported as 'Relations' so then there is 1 relation for each boundary, then it requires a diffwrent approach. However, if the osm-community is happy with having simple 'ways' that have the admin_level=* etc. tags on it, then the approach is to simply add in the ways, and manually edit & purge the relations. ... or not even use relations, and just use the 'boundary:right' options. Thats the story Have fun :) Cheers, Sam On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sam Vekemans <[email protected]> wrote: > i also tweeted about it yesterday > > Sam Vekemans > @acrosscanada Sam Vekemans > [CivicAccess-discuss] What's doing in Montreal? Re: Montréal Ouvert in > the Gazette #opengov #montreal #quebec #canada http://post.ly/1G8Lk > 19 hours ago via Posterous > > Perhaps a way to help is to join in the existing movement for opening up data? > > On a provincial level, we know that they get their data updates from > the municipal level. So working with focus on the municipal level, > helps 'push the envelope' a little further. > > what i have found is that it actually takes multiple people from > multiple backgrounds to continue to simply 'just ask' , sending > comments directly to the provincial/regional/municipal governments, > and in your own words, just simply ask why they are not following the > lead of what other provinces/regional/municipal governments already > are doing. :) > > On a provincial level, im certain that they already know that they > need to change their ways and the 'protectionism of geodata' does need > to change. But this just takes time. .. and they need to be > reminded :) > Similar to how the concept of 'email' took a very long time to spread > across all governments. :) ... if enough people ask... then they will > deliver :) > > Cheers, > Sam > > --- > Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network > Victoria, BC Canada > > Twitter: @Acrosscanada > Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans > Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' > IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) > IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap The Common Map channel (an open chat room) > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Sam Vekemans > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> There already is a 'significant' amount of boundary data that is >> already available from statsCAN, it just hasn't been imported into >> osm. >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Statistics_Canada_%28StatsCAN%29 >> http://www.mediafire.com/?jlr1vicrvpc0nbm (direct download) >> >> Have you had a chance to review it yet? >> >> It's been converted to .osm format and in the correct 'french name 1st >> default'. >> >> >> cheers, >> sam >> >> >> On 11/28/10, Pierre (Code PierZen) <[email protected]> wrote: >>> ENGLISH MESSAGE FOLLOWS >>> >>> J'ai vu des discussions datant de janvier sur l'import des données de >>> limites administratives du Québec. Ceci semble de toute évidence stagner. >>> Ces donnés sont pourtant essentielles tant pour décrire le Québec que pour >>> une recherche efficace de lieux, etc. >>> >>> S'il est exact que nous ne pouvons toujours pas obtenir ces données >>> gratuitement et sans restriction d'usage, je propose que le travail de >>> cartographie accompli à date nous serve de fer de lance pour séduire le >>> député de Sherbrooke et premier-ministre du Québec. >>> >>> La région de Sherbrooke, au Québec, est en quelque sorte un projet-pilote >>> pour l'import des données CANVEC dans OSM. Ce évidemment grâce au travail de >>> Daniel Bégin et du support de Ressources naturelles Canada. On voit le vert >>> s'étendre de jour en jour sur la carte. La carte Hike & Bike Map nous permet >>> également de voir des éléments essentiels au tourisme en Estrie, les pistes >>> cyclables et les sentiers de randonnée. >>> >>> Je propose que les collaborateurs OSM du Québec envoient une lettre à >>> Monsieur Charest présentant le progrès accompli par la cartographie libre >>> OSM, en fasse ressortir l'importance pour le tourisme, l'environnement etc. >>> et demandent l'obtention gratuite et sans restriction d'utilisation pour les >>> données administratives du Québec ayant une grande importance pour la >>> cartographie du Québec. >>> >>> Il faudrait évidemment décrire les différentes données attendues, soit >>> notamment >>> Limites administratives (MRC, Régions administratives, Communautés urbaines, >>> municipalités, etc.) >>> Les bassins versants de rivières. >>> >>> Pierre >>> (Codename PierZen) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have seen discussions dating from january on importing administrative data >>> for Quebec. This seems obviously stagnate. These data are neverthless >>> crucial both to describe the Quebec as to make efficient search of >>> localities, etc. >>> >>> If this is true that we cannot obtain such data for free and unrestricted >>> use, I propose that the mapping work done to date serve as a spearhead to >>> seduce the Deputy for Sherbrooke and Prime Minister of Québec. >>> >>> We can say that the area of Sherbrooke, Quebec, is a kind of pilot project >>> to import CANVEC data in OSM. This was a massive contribution from the >>> federal government. And this obviously through the work of Daniel Bégin and >>> support from Natural Resources Canada. We see the green spread daily on the >>> OSM map. The specialized Hike & Bike Map also allows us to see some >>> essential elements of tourism in the Eastern Townships, bike paths and >>> hiking trails. >>> >>> I propose that employees OSM Quebec send a letter to Mr. Charest's >>> presenting then OSM mapping progress and brings out the importance for >>> tourism, environment etc., and require obtaining administrative data from >>> Quebec government free and with unrestricted. >>> >>> We should mention how this is of great importance for the mapping of >>> Quebec. >>> >>> We would obviously describe different expected data, including either >>> Administrative boundaries (MRC, Administrative Regions, Urban Communities, >>> municipalities, etc.) >>> The catchment areas of rivers. >>> >>> Pierre >>> (Codename PierZen) >>> >> >> >> -- >> Twitter: @Acrosscanada >> Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ >> http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans >> Skype: samvekemans >> IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) >> @Acrosscanadatrails >> > _______________________________________________ Talk-ca mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
