Bonjour Chandler, You have just raised an issue that was discussed last summer on this list, without a final agreement (search for [Talk-ca] Highway recoding).
I brought the issue because I found that the guideline proposes 3 functional categories, in which one is called “trunk,” while I was on the impression that OSM definitions were more oriented toward the physical nature of the infrastructure (motorway, primary, residential, service, etc.) Summarizing the discussions … J.P. Kirby argued that functional categories better fits the spirit of the British classification system that OSM Highway tagging is based on. Tristan Anderson did not exactly agree with the functional definitions but he has been using them and he proposed to use a mix between functional and infrastructure descriptions. Paul Norman did not agree with the functional definition (trunk) Stewart C. Russell proposed a trunk definition oriented toward an infrastructure description. Adam Martin goes for Tristan definitions but suggest trunk could be applied to TransCanada Highway only. IMO, OSM classification mostly aims at describing the road infrastructure, not the strategic/economic importance a local government says about them. I am inclined to agree with Stewart’s proposal of trunk definition… “A road that link cities/towns with some access limitations and higher speed limit” The “some access limitations” proposed in his definition would make the distinction between a motorway (full access limitations) and primary roads (no access limitations) and it is actually pretty close to the BC definition Paul just sent you. Further comments? Daniel From: Chandler Vancouver [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: January-26-16 14:34 To: [email protected] Subject: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding Hi everyone! To begin with I am relatively new to OSM but I am trying to figure the Canadian definition for trunk status and find the current definition as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Trunk as academic and not functional. And please forgive me if I covering previously discussed material. Also, my context might from British Columbia focus as well. This conversation comes up from a discussion I have had with another OSM contributor, so I'm posting below my response to the definition as found at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Trunk --- Thank you for updating me as to the status of trunk roads. And I have begun correcting routes that are definitely not trunk roads. I think the concern I have is openstreetmap needs different layers depending on the end users purpose. For example, if the end user is using OSM for a GPS navigational unit the status of a trunk road based on the Council of Ministers criteria is irrelevant. For that matter, for most map users it is irrelevant. Most people using a map want to know essentially know where number designated highways are so they can travel most efficiently to their destination. However, there was/is precedence on OSM in the Lower Mainland region of BC of a trunk highway status on a route that is not covered by the Council of Ministers. Highway 7 (Lougheed Highway), west of the changeset you corrected, and Highway 7B (the Mary Hill Bypass) are shown as trunk roads on OSM yet they are not mentioned in the Canada’s National Highway System Annual Report 2014 (page 29 - http://www.comt.ca/english/nhs-report-2014.pdf ). The purpose of the Canada’s National Highway System Annual Report 2014 is for government purposes. This document is part of the background for the fourteen governments in Canada in how the Federal government will apply funding for highway improvements. This covered in the documents introduction on pages 2 and 3. The most salient quote: "The information contained in the report that follows offers insight to the role played by the National Highway System, its performance, the state of its infrastructure and the investment being made in its restoration and improvement." Again, this has nothing to with actually usage or intent from the map users point of view. So the question is what is the purpose of OSM in the context of Canadian trunk roads? The OSM definition of trunk road appears more academic than actual usage. This is where I look at the following BC highways: 7 between Agassiz and Hope 9 between Highway 1 and Agassiz, combined with the Haig Highway 10 from Highway 91 to Highway 1 11 from at least Highway 1 and the US border crossing 13 from Highway 1 to the US border crossing 15 from Highway 1 to the US border crossing. With the exception of Highway 10, all of these routes are important good movement routes that connect Vancouver to intra-provincial, inter-provincial, and international destinations. Yet they are not covered by Canada’s National Highway System Annual Report 2014 and therefore, based on OSM's rather limited definition of trunk roads are classified at best as a primary road. In the case of Highway 10 it is a trunking route for commuter traffic that links the Trans-Canada Highway to Langley, Surrey, and North Delta. Along its Glover Road section and to Highway 1 it is a two-lane road, but west of its junction with the Langley By-pass through to Highway 91 it is four-lane highway with grade level signalized intersections and is more often a divided highway / dual carriageway. And while it is not connecting major urban centres itself, it works in conjunction with Highways 1 & 91 to connect travellers to other areas beyond Metro Vancouver. Therefore, operating a trunking route, not as a primary route. The broader OSM definition, versus the Canadian specific definition, appears to be a far more inclusive definition. "high performance roads that don't meet the requirement for motorway." http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrunk Further I did not know that the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Trunk existed until you pointed it out to me. When you look at OSM overall page for trunk road Canada is missing from the International equivalence table on pagehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrunk However, when I look at the Canada Border Services Agency's statistics of vehicle movements it is clear these highways are most likely of trunk highway status based on usage. Abbotsford-Huntingdon (Hwy 11) in 2013, this port of entry processed approximately 1.2 million vehicles and 2.2 million travellers.http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/time-temp/404-eng.html Aldergrove (Hwy 13) In 2013, this port of entry processed approximately 786,000 vehicles and approximately 1.6 million travellers.http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/time-temp/408-eng.html Pacific Highway (Hwy 15) In 2013, this port of entry processed approximately 2.5 million vehicles and approximately 4.7 million travellers. http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/time-temp/398-eng.html Please keep in mind that above numbers only represent northbound traffic volumes and therefore it is most likely the actual volume is approximately double. But what is interesting is that if you look at North Portal, Saskatchewan the traffic volume is approximately 27% of the Aldergrove border crossing (approximately 212,000 vehicles and approximately 329,000 travellers - http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/time-temp/604-eng.html ). However the Canada’s National Highway System Annual Report 2014 defined Saskatchewan Highway 6/39 as part of the National Highway System but not BC's Highway 13 which is sees far more motor vehicle traffic. Perhaps the OSM group needs to re-examine the definition of trunk designation from only being routes as covered by the Canada’s National Highway System Annual Report 2014, but look into other value points such as traffic volume and the intent of the highway's usage. Further, I feel that maps must extend beyond academic definitions and be living documents that represent what the end user is seeking for information. In the case of trunk roads it could include all or most numbered routes that allow the end user an efficient travel route to reach their intended destination. Cheers, Ken
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