Thanks everyone for your info! I'm not the biggest fan of mail newsgroups cause responding in a comprehensive way is hard if you're working for a few days.
Scruff - thanks for the insight on the license, would explicit permission from them for this project work? or does the license null it? It's supposed to be based off the national open data license but is highly modified. Jonathan good note! I think if we tag different areas of the city - we can attribute things more effectively. Also - I was thinking of adding info to the already built buildings using the City of Brandons info, I wasn't sure of the data use in this case. Based on what Scruff said, don't use at all! Street complete is a great app! I Was looking at using something like that or paper! I didn't have the best of luck with Vespucci. This brings me to the conclusion after all these discussions something similar to what SteveA-2009 mentioned. Instead of having OSM conform to these licenses, would be be able to get the governing bodies to conform to OSM? In many cases, I'm working with my colleges in the GIS community to borrow data, if we could give them a "guideline to a OSM request" document or something we might be able to leverage a ton of data we wouldn't already have. I think this is one of the main motivators behind building 2020. That a lot of this data is accessable-ish, opening it would only help add better data to OSM. (keeping in mind quality, applicability ect) I'll add more tomorrow. Keith On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:45 AM, <talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Send Talk-ca mailing list submissions to > firstname.lastname@example.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-ca-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-ca-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ca digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work > (Stewart C. Russell) > 2. Re: BC2020i Mapathon Event (Jonathan Brown) > 3. Re: Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work > (john whelan) > 4. Re: Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school work > (Frederik Ramm) > 5. Building_Canada_2020 (john whelan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 08:07:07 -0500 > From: "Stewart C. Russell" <scr...@gmail.com> > To: email@example.com > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school > work > Message-ID: <6d2d0e5d-8d9d-d528-c08e-05ee9debe...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 2018-02-28 11:59 AM, James wrote: > > Before Scruss comes out and says it: > > … thanks, James! Been busy with the new job. > > > After license is approved … > > I'm not a lawyer, but the Brandon licence looks especially troublesome. > It's not based on any other licence I've seen. Most worryingly, it > requires that the person using/importing the data on behalf of a legal > entity has the capacity to legally bind that entity. > > In short, it means that if we import the Brandon data, we agree that we > have the legal capacity to respond to anything that Brandon could choose > to throw at us. Not one of us has that. > > Stewart > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:25:54 -0500 > From: Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> > To: James <james2...@gmail.com> > Cc: Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>, "Brock Baker > <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>" <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>, > "sarah.r...@durham.ca" <sarah.r...@durham.ca>, Talk-CA > OpenStreetMap > <firstname.lastname@example.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020i Mapathon Event > Message-ID: <5a980d72.9e0f6b0a.2477f.2...@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Got it. Thanks, James. On another note, we are still looking for 8-10 > facilitators for our March 29 mapathon in Durham Region. I approached the > Toronto OSM and will follow-up with them at their next Meetup on Monday. I > also let the Peterborough chapter of GoGeomatics. The challenge is that the > colleges had a lengthy strike in the fall and have no time to participate > in extra-curricular activities this year. > > Jonathan > > From: James > Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 5:36 AM > To: Jonathan Brown > Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; Rob Halko; Sterling Quinn > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020i Mapathon Event > > one impotant take away from past experiences is to tell them not to map > the same element twice. For example, someone else maps it first, dont add > it on top as well(duplicate item mapping) > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/attachment > s/20180301/913c2cf5/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:00:16 -0500 > From: john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > To: keith hartley <keith.a.hart...@gmail.com> > Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <email@example.com> > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school > work > Message-ID: > <caj-ex1fxq6qqcyz5vrnmgu2haoqmb-npaud-00tsdtkx1n5...@mail.gm > ail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Looking at Brandon in OpenStreetMap many buildings are mapped but there > isn't much detail. > > Stats was after things like the number of levels, house number, street > name, is the building commerical, residential, apartment. There are some > 70 or 80 different tags used for buildings in taginfo. At the bit of > Brandon I looked at there were only two values used. It was also after > amenties such as cafes etc. > > These are all things that can be added with tools such as street complete. > Because you are adding tags to enrich the existing data you are unlikely to > to draw a building in the wrong place. > > I'd go after enriching the existing data first before thinking of importing > more buildings. > > Cheerio John > > On 28 February 2018 at 10:31, keith hartley <keith.a.hart...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi OSM'ers > > > > I am working on adding buildings to OSM in Manitoba and have a few > > questions. I was just offered an updated building footprint and address > > shape file from the City of Brandon, and agreement that it can be used in > > OSM. I understand that the license needs to be compliant with the OSMs of > > course, and will email the licensing group. The City uses a open data > > license similar to Ottawa's (can be seen here > > http://opengov.brandon.ca/terms.aspx) I can get written consent in an > > email if need be as well. Currently the buildings are from the Manitoba > > land initiative website (MLI) and I can see that the city of Brandon Data > > is much more accurate (in both attributes and position) I will review the > > current data. Is there anything else I should be doing before I upload > > this? > > > > The plan is to have high school students look at the map and using > walking > > maps or equivalent data capture (android app) to find what is accessible > > for people with mobility issues around their schools. I'll write the > > results on a wiki to show our successes. Anyone else have good ideas how > to > > get students to add to the map? (with teacher oversight of course!) > > > > Cheers, > > Keith > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ca mailing list > > Talkfirstname.lastname@example.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/attachment > s/20180301/a900fcbf/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 16:06:36 +0100 > From: Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> > To: email@example.com > Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Manitoba buildings, addresses and high school > work > Message-ID: <76ffc609-20d9-b6d2-31d5-bdb6c3317...@remote.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > > On 01.03.2018 16:00, john whelan wrote: > > These are all things that can be added with tools such as street > > complete. Because you are adding tags to enrich the existing data you > > are unlikely to to draw a building in the wrong place. > > > > I'd go after enriching the existing data first before thinking of > > importing more buildings. > > My thinking here would be: 90% of the value of what you produce will be > in the surveyed stuff - as John said, number of levels, type of building > etc.; what he didn't mention but what certainly could also be > interesting to some is the 3D modeling tags like roof shape information > which will make the building look nicer on 3D maps. > > If 90% of the value is in the "handmade" stuff anyway, why even depend > on an import for the remaining 10% - isn't there aerial imagery from > which you can trace the building? With proper tooling this is quick and > painless, and a student who has actually "drawn" the houses will feel > much more pride in the resulting map as one who has simply taken > existing data and uploaded it to OSM. One is a creative task, the other > just data mangling. I'm pretty sure students would warm more to the > creative task. > > Best > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:45:01 -0500 > From: john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <firstname.lastname@example.org> > Subject: [Talk-ca] Building_Canada_2020 > Message-ID: > <caj-ex1hzylnzy189pq4c2zs9cawicywx+qf7fn-q2xaaw-n...@mail.gm > ail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The wiki talks about grand ideas. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Build > ing_Canada_2020 > > But what it doesn't do is give examples of how to enrich the building > outlines. > > When I spoke to Stats Canada it was the enrichment that was the most > valuable How many churches are there? How many apartment buildings? How > many levels (floors)? How many care homes etc. WiFi available? Website? > > I'd think in terms of streetcomplete an android app for filling a lot of > these gaps but there are other software packages around such as Vespucci on > android, iD on whatever iD runs on. JOSM but you need someone present who > knows it. It is excpetionally useful for accurately drawing building > outlines though. > > I don't know what school students at various grades are capable of. > > I think the wiki page would be more useful if it listed what enriching > details would be useful and how to tag them. > > I would suspect that printing out a map with the buildings on it so notes > could be made in the field might be useful. > > Thoughts? > > Anyone with some expertise about what works for a mapathon with students? > > Thanks John > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/attachment > s/20180301/5fd0b54a/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talkemail@example.com > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-ca Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5 > *************************************** >
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