On 11 Nov 2009, at 18:06, Chris Hill wrote:
Peter Miller wrote:
At a rough count we have now have NaPTAN imported for about 1/3 of
GB
(41 imported, 7 requesting an import and 90 that have not requested
one).[1] We have no authorities where someone as blocked an import
any
more - one person did request a 'wait and see' on the first import
but
has now requested it.
Firstly, could anyone who wants an import ask for it and then I will
give Edgemaster a prod to do another round of imports in the next few
days.
Secondly, would it be appropriate at some point to import the data
for
all authorities where someone has not specifically asked for it not
to
be imported? Can we use this list (together with other UK lists)
as a
reasonable place to ask for any vetoes. Possibly we could include
talk
in the post to catch other users. Vetoes would need to be placed on
the wiki request page so others could discuss the reasons with the
person in the open.
I'm not sure about loading the data unless there is one or more people
willing to put the effort in to check the stops. There have been
grumbles (to put it politely) about NaPTAN data, though I have found
most of the stops in Hull to be pretty good. Loading large areas
that go
unchecked will only make our map as good as Google (who seem to have
loaded NaPTAN with precious little correction) - we should be aiming
much higher than that. The process of checking adds value beyond the
NaPTAN stops, so let's encourage people to buy-in and own it locally.
It's hard to get buy in when the data isn't in the system. Do
remember that London had a particularly poor set of data in a very
dense and well mapped area - We now have many of the biggest cities:-
Manchester, B'Ham, Liverpool, Bristol, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Leeds and
Newcastle.
Glasgow, Southampton, Milton Keynes, Plymouth, Cardiff and Aberdeen
are some of the larger places that are not in. Many of the other
places will be smaller or more rural.
When the data is in there we can start thinking about how to fix it
up. We can produce reports and stats by area to show what is being
corrected and what is not, which will create an incentive to get it
fixed. If the data is in there then people can fix things up as they
travel around.
Thinking about it, one could get OSM to produce a list of things to
check for any particular trip - First one would produce a GPX for the
trip and then a 'job-creator' would identify streets without names,
villages without letter boxes, ways with 'FIXME' tags and also of
course unchecked bus stops and produce an itinerary and map to things
to do on the way. An alternative mode would be a iPhone app that tells
one about issues in the neighbourhood one is in at the time - ie,
'could you check the bus stop around the corner', 'there are no letter
boxes around here, can you find some?' etc etc. It could of course be
awful and result in one throwing one's iPhone away!
Possibly we go just go through the list of outstanding area and seek
out active mappers in the area and encourage them to ask for it.
I would be happy to do the ones in the East of England and others
might like to do the other government regions as detailed here:[1]
East Midlands England
East of England
Greater London
North East England
North West England
South East England
South West England
West Midlands (region)
Yorkshire and the Humber
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_England#Regions_of_England
Regards,
Peter
Cheers, Chris
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