On 09/06/2011 15:47, SteveC wrote:
On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:42, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Generally, I am still opposed to a bot. There is a substantial body
of evidence that automated imports damage the ability to recruit and
nuture new mappers.
Could you cite the evidence? Is it just hand waving about AND or
something more specific?
Generally Google (or perhaps Bing) is your friend, but::
Latvia, ex.Jaak Lainste
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056786.html
Austria ex Felix Hartmann
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056801.html
I may be thinking of Derick Rethan's example when I mentioned AND.
For completeness I should cite Chile, where they have a good experience:
Chile ex Julio Costa
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056770.html
There are other disasters like the French Cadastre
<http://osm.org/go/0BOhfIg4F-> or the Danish
<http://osm.org/go/0SpJwUg74-> address import where data was imported
but no-one ever put the roads in. The Danes seem to be quite happy and
seem to have rectified quite a bit of the data recently thanks to Bing
imagery; I certainly wasnt when buildings I'd added in Briancon were
just zapped for an import, nor did the number of import clean-ups I did
on the cadastre because there were huge number of duplicates overwhelm
me with joy.
I used to be sceptical about the anti-import lobby (e.g., The Pottery
Club
<http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/>),
seeing it as the 'old-hands' resenting things not been done the hard
way; and like others here I believed if I traced roads in then people
would come along and stick the names on. They didn't names only appeared
when either a) I surveyed them, or b) I added them from OSSV data. So I
now no longer buy into "the build and they will come" theory: it rarely
works in other domains which is why firms spend money on advertising and
marketing.
One last thing: I believe the onus is on import advocates to demonstrate
how the import will deliver value & strengthen OSM.
Imports will never get the A46 changes
<http://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2011/05/along-fosse-way-mapping-new-road.html>
mapped within a day or so of them happening: and this is the real story
to sell OSM rather than "We're almost as good as the free data set from
the Ordnance Survey". Also imports, and even mapping parties by
non-locals will never get the data good enough to be able to just focus
on what has changed. It's really frustrating going round a place which
looks well mapped and ending up adding 20 new streets because the
obvious cues aren't there. I doubt if anyone else has done anything like
Dair Grant <http://www.refnum.com/projects/osm/edinburgh/>'s Edinburgh
survey.
J
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