The problem with this is there are import guidelines which have been
completely ignored. Was there an email and discussion in the Imports
mailing list? Was there a wiki page to record and share the process? How
were the tags chosen? What steps were taken to check the accuracy of the
data supplied? Why was the import data not merged with existing data
(that was just deleted). Why was the data imported with a regular user
id not one created for the import process? The imported data doesn't
align with the existing data - what's going to be done about that?
These are just the points I can see, before a broader discussion has
started.
Why do you believe that this is only a matter for the West Midland group
to discuss? This sets a precedent for any other area to use. If this had
been done properly this could have become the go to example of how to
use local authority data, as it is it is a great example of how not to
do it.
I am disillusioned that the newly formed OSMUK has a director that just
ignores the good practice set up across the world. Are the aims of OSMUK
to just hack off the rest of the UK mappers?
The problem is, I don't expect that anything will change. There may be
some bluster, some indignant emails hurled around but these imports
won't be reverted as they should be and the precedent will remain. What
a mess.
--
cheers
Chris Hill (chillly)
On 19/03/2017 14:03, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Hi,
This was discussed at our monthly meeting, it was then shared to the
appropriate local list [1] and a post about quality to Mappa Mercia
blog [2].
Brian has also been meeting with the data suppliers on a regular basis
(at times spending an hour a week with them) helping to develop a
strategy. Expert advise was also sought on the tree data.
So we have a data process that is supported by the local community,
shared publicly and covers a very small region. Our community is also
well established (10 years) and experienced to make these decisions.
My view is that appropriate steps have been taken. Anything more would
have been disproportionate any suggests a desire to have OSM centrally
run (which as we know is unrealistic).
Best,
Rob
[1]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html
<https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html>
[2]
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2017/03/massive-release-of-highways-asset-data-in-birmingham.html
On 19 Mar 2017 1:14 p.m., "[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote:
On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key
imports partially
complete so I thought it best to give you an update of
where I'm at:
I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is
outrageous.
No, he was sent this message:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271>
because it appeared that the link between changeset discussions
and his email inbox was broken.
There is clearly consensus for them in the local mapping
community, and a well-defined and transparent plan for the
process has
been published.
That was one of the questions asked in changeset discussions - can
you please link to where the "well-defined and transparent plan"
for the "trees" import was published, and where discussion took place?
A well-respected member of the community should not be treated
this way.
No-one doubts that Brian is well-respected member of the OSM
community - few if any have put in as much effort as him over the
years. Unfortunately even well-respected community members can
have email filters go rogue on them - it's not the first time that
it's happened and I'm sure it won't be the last :)
Best Regards,
Andy
(cc:ing talk@ because I know there's been discussion, including on
IRC, outside the West Mids about the trees import and as similar
sort of council work is being outsourced elsewhere, it's useful to
discuss it more widely).
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