Hi, I tend to think of tagging more in terms of 'who will use this?' I know my local area extremely well, so I map it as best I can using tags that will make sense to anyone visiting the area. When I'm away from home I use OSM extensively to find things, and hope that the local mappers are using a universal scheme so that it will work for me. I've travelled on roads in Portugal, Spain an parts of Africa which dont have a surface such as tarmac (tarmacadam / asphalt) or concrete, but instead have been built with a top coating similar to clay, which is compressed and then smoothed using a grader. Particularly in Portugal, at the time I drove on them, these 'unsurfaced' roads were so good that they were better than the (at that time) M25 which was full of pot-holes and difficult to drive safely on. Although https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways is the obvious choice to look at, I actually find that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa explains it better. Regards & Happy Mapping / Surveying Nick(Tallguy) On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 10:08 +0000, Edward Bainton wrote: > > https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg > > > > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the > hardcore. If > > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded > tagging for > > the renderer would it not? Generally in this part of the world > "track" > > means mud, rather than a roadway suitable for all vehicles. > > > I don't know what part of the world you're in, but by my Fenland > lights, I'd probably call that a track, not a driveway - certainly > once it passes the farm buildings (since I see a driveway as implying > car-worthy access to a building). > > > Would that solve it? Driveway as far as the farm and then track? > > > I'm going to risk blasphemy and suggest that tagging for the renderer > is what we all do, all day (or why map?). The problem imo is "fudging > it for the renderer", or "outright lying for the renderer". In this > case, I'd say track is a valid choice - I think even for the whole > length, if by "driveway" we infer something, short, tidy, and > suburban. > > > But I'm still a spring chicken round here, relatively speaking, and I > await correction by my olders. > > On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 09:09, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB < > talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Getting back to this > > case, this is the farm drive. Beyond the > > > > >cattle-grid the public > > bridleway continues left through the farm > > > > >buildings, and the surface > > deteriorates to the usual farm mud: > > > > > > > > >https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for going off topic, but I knew that name (Noverton Farm) > > sounded familiar. > > > > > > > > > > > > A quick check of where it is would explain why. In 1998 I did a > > long distance walk from Sussex to the Peak District, following > > ordinary footpaths (planned using OS maps) and went through this > > area, the Teme Valley. It was very nice > > but the footpaths were in an appaling state of disrepair, I > > remember on several occasions that day having to scramble through > > dense shrub cover and attempt to negotiate barbed-wire fences. I > > seem to recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some particularly > > badly-maintained footpaths. > > > > > > > > > > > > As an aside this walk is what indirectly got me into OSM. I wanted > > to illustrate the walk on the internet but OS licensing did not > > permit it, which is how I started Freemap and then later got > > involved with OSM. I still haven't illustrated this walk > > incidentally, > > but... > > > > > > > > > > > > Would be interested to find out if the area has improved since.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Martin Wynne <mar...@templot.com> > > > > Sent: 12 December 2020 14:30 > > > > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> > > > > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track > > > > > > > > On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "someone" will need to do > > it. > > > > > Perhaps that someone is you? > > > > > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > > > Yes that someone could be me. I have a server (located in > > Columbus, > > > > Ohio) on which I am using only a fraction of the available memory > > space > > > > and bandwidth. I have been thinking of making better use of it, > > possibly > > > > by hosting something from OSM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd suggest setting up a copy of the > > > > > standard map rendering as per > > https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/ > > > > > (just for Worcestershire would be fine) and start tinkering with > > the > > > > > logic that decides what sort of service road is what, such as > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/b10aef3866bacf387581b8fea4eec265010b0d14/project.mml#L475 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I have been looking at > > https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/ but > > > > > > I have a lot to learn. I can do Windows programming, but on stuff > > for > > > > the web I'm only a dabbler. I looked at Mapnik and saw interfaces > > only > > > > for Python and C. If that had been Pascal, I would have dived in by > > now. > > > > > > > > I will have another look and see where I might start. The idea of > > > > creating my own map does appeal to me. > > > > > > > > Getting back to this case, this is the farm drive. Beyond the > > > > cattle-grid the public bridleway continues left through the farm > > > > buildings, and the surface deteriorates to the usual farm mud: > > > > > > > > https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg > > > > > > > > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the > > hardcore. If > > > > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded > > tagging for > > > > the renderer would it not? Generally in this part of the world > > "track" > > > > means mud, rather than a roadway suitable for all vehicles. > > > > > > > > This is where the farm drive leaves the road - this is definitely > > more > > > > than a "track" - note the double gates: > > > > > > > > https://goo.gl/maps/XEs4XKs5UUHNBt8E8 > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > Martin. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Talk-GB mailing list > > > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Talk-GB mailing list > > > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > _______________________________________________Talk-GB mailing > listtalk...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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