Good morning, Further to my previous response on this subject a few days ago, I did look into the use of a departed employee's OSM account to respond to a changeset comment and can confirm that this was a one off in error and that new steps and are being added to the procedure to prevent a repeat. Also, based on my findings both internally at TomTom and its OSM editing partners I can reaffirm that OSM accounts are not used by more than one person and are also not used for editing or other OSM activities by TomTom after their departure.
Best regards. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 7:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Talk-GB Digest, Vol 218, Issue 3 Send Talk-GB mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-GB digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: shared accounts at TomTom (Chris Pankhurst) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:23:05 +0000 From: Chris Pankhurst <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] shared accounts at TomTom Message-ID: <vi1pr07mb4590fb6e81f4f81b0eb616f990...@vi1pr07mb4590.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning, I just want to assure you that TomTom does not share OSM accounts. A new user, who will edit OSM for TomTom either as a direct employee or a partner employee, will create their own profile and that is theirs alone to use. Once this user leaves then their account is not to be used in any further activity for TomTom and is relocated to the Inactive users list in our Organized Editing Wiki page per guidelines. The account should also not be used to reply to changeset comments as what appears to have been the case here so I will look further into this and will then reply to this group. Best regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 5:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Talk-GB Digest, Vol 218, Issue 2 Send Talk-GB mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-GB digest..." Today's Topics: 1. shared accounts at TomTom (Ken Kilfedder) 2. Re: shared accounts at TomTom (Jez Nicholson) 3. Re: shared accounts at TomTom (Ken Kilfedder) 4. Re: shared accounts at TomTom (Philip Barnes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 08:55:46 +0000 From: "Ken Kilfedder" <[email protected]> To: Talk-GB <[email protected]> Subject: [Talk-GB] shared accounts at TomTom Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Morning all, I encounted an odd changeset at St Bart's hopsital. The Changeset hashtags identified it as a 'fixed' maproutlette challenge (Fixed building and highway intersection) promoted by TomTom. However, the change left a path going through a buiding. So I got in touch with the user via a changeset comment. The response indicated that the person who made the change is not the person who now controls the account. Is it normal for TomTom users to share their accounts amongst a pool of people (people who they seem to have records for, but which the wider OSM community can't attribute changes to?) Here's the changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/148955134 It doesn't seem like good practice to me, but perhaps it's normal/tolerated. Is this a job for DWG, should this 'users' changes be audited somehow, or is the best course of action to just quietly remove the unlikley path (which is still skewering the building). --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain [email protected] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/attachments/20241105/f926aa18/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:02:49 +0000 From: Jez Nicholson <[email protected]> To: Talk-GB <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] shared accounts at TomTom Message-ID: <calbgsiijfzcyrg-7uxhzqnnt_lygzzof69fvnclc4+2ri92...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hmmm, I don't read the response as "this is an account shared between multiple users". I read it as "this is an account for someone who has now left the organisation but we will respond to any queries that may be raised against it"...which in my mind would be quite a responsible thing to do. On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 9:16?AM Ken Kilfedder <[email protected]> wrote: > Morning all, > > I encounted an odd changeset at St Bart's hopsital. The Changeset > hashtags identified it as a 'fixed' maproutlette challenge (Fixed > building and highway intersection) promoted by TomTom. However, the > change left a path going through a buiding. > > So I got in touch with the user via a changeset comment. The response > indicated that the person who made the change is not the person who now > controls the account. Is it normal for TomTom users to share their > accounts amongst a pool of people (people who they seem to have > records for, but which the wider OSM community can't attribute changes > to?) > > Here's the changeset: > https://www/. > openstreetmap.org%2Fchangeset%2F148955134&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher.p > ankhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267b5 > 44a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561239536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ > sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 > D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dS109mzyNVK5C5j1cn1V3hOPFJaRHTiEolo7WL2Wgx0%3D&re > served=0 > > It doesn't seem like good practice to me, but perhaps it's > normal/tolerated. Is this a job for DWG, should this 'users' changes > be audited somehow, or is the best course of action to just quietly > remove the unlikley path (which is still skewering the building). > > --- > https://hdyc/ > .neis-one.org%2F%3Fspiregrain&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher.pankhurst%40t > omtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267b544a3ab87d328 > fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561260362%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjo > iMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C% > 7C&sdata=6dCeegxqGJCzxd6ecGLMSR%2FBuYJViXfBkS7yZHwmfjI%3D&reserved=0 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://list/ > s.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk-gb&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher.pa > nkhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267b54 > 4a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561277254%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs > b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D > %7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=F61SQFGPq%2F0BQfnYtu3hby7digq9sYAcs0SFbBqGGCI%3D&r > eserved=0 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/attachments/20241105/89ad32ad/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 10:31:57 +0000 From: "Ken Kilfedder" <[email protected]> To: Talk-GB <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] shared accounts at TomTom Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Morning Jez, That is a more favourable interpretation - which I'll adopt now unless anyone knows differently. --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain [email protected] On Tue, 5 Nov 2024, at 10:02 AM, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Hmmm, I don't read the response as "this is an account shared between > multiple users". I read it as "this is an account for someone who has now > left the organisation but we will respond to any queries that may be raised > against it"...which in my mind would be quite a responsible thing to do. > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 9:16?AM Ken Kilfedder <[email protected]> > wrote: >> __ >> Morning all, >> >> I encounted an odd changeset at St Bart's hopsital. The Changeset hashtags >> identified it as a 'fixed' maproutlette challenge (Fixed building and >> highway intersection) promoted by TomTom. However, the change left a path >> going through a buiding. >> >> So I got in touch with the user via a changeset comment. The response >> indicated that the person who made the change is not the person who now >> controls the account. Is it normal for TomTom users to share their >> accounts amongst a pool of people (people who they seem to have records for, >> but which the wider OSM community can't attribute changes to?) >> >> Here's the changeset: >> https://www/ >> .openstreetmap.org%2Fchangeset%2F148955134&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher >> .pankhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f8026 >> 7b544a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561327380%7CUnknown%7CTWF >> pbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 >> Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ae1%2FEdPVJjfTdHynqVM97dkIYP%2B7cGQixSfRASQ >> QLOs%3D&reserved=0 >> >> It doesn't seem like good practice to me, but perhaps it's normal/tolerated. >> Is this a job for DWG, should this 'users' changes be audited somehow, or >> is the best course of action to just quietly remove the unlikley path (which >> is still skewering the building). >> >> --- >> https://hdy/ >> c.neis-one.org%2F%3Fspiregrain&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher.pankhurst%4 >> 0tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267b544a3ab87d >> 328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561344040%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ >> WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7 >> C%7C%7C&sdata=ZUkfjAEl9jLYOewuQ9snpn8zs5lJR9mx%2B9SCljnInk8%3D&reserv >> ed=0 >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lis/ >> ts.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk-gb&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher. >> pankhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267 >> b544a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561361108%7CUnknown%7CTWFp >> bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M >> n0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6dMzB6woDMTtqv0LwUqu59UnRef7O58f59cIS22xMSw% >> 3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://list/ > s.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk-gb&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher.pa > nkhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267b54 > 4a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561378156%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs > b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D > %7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=t53welTt3CnUSIk7v6btDJnxvoSlhhLgF368CcpKaEQ%3D&res > erved=0 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/attachments/20241105/414b1c50/attachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 10:32:12 +0000 From: Philip Barnes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] shared accounts at TomTom Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 5 November 2024 10:02:49 GMT, Jez Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: >Hmmm, I don't read the response as "this is an account shared between >multiple users". I read it as "this is an account for someone who has >now left the organisation but we will respond to any queries that may >be raised against it"...which in my mind would be quite a responsible thing to >do. Although the mapper making the correction should have used their own account, not the one of the mapper who has left the organisation. Phil (trigpoint) > >On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 9:16?AM Ken Kilfedder ><[email protected]> >wrote: > >> Morning all, >> >> I encounted an odd changeset at St Bart's hopsital. The Changeset >> hashtags identified it as a 'fixed' maproutlette challenge (Fixed >> building and highway intersection) promoted by TomTom. However, the >> change left a path going through a buiding. >> >> So I got in touch with the user via a changeset comment. The response >> indicated that the person who made the change is not the person who now >> controls the account. Is it normal for TomTom users to share their >> accounts amongst a pool of people (people who they seem to have >> records for, but which the wider OSM community can't attribute >> changes to?) >> >> Here's the changeset: >> https://www/ >> .openstreetmap.org%2Fchangeset%2F148955134&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher >> .pankhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f8026 >> 7b544a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561413601%7CUnknown%7CTWF >> pbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6 >> Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ipH75WizRxzBFiRieN82pNY1EaG68fsVEJhe%2BxxCa >> UU%3D&reserved=0 >> >> It doesn't seem like good practice to me, but perhaps it's >> normal/tolerated. Is this a job for DWG, should this 'users' changes >> be audited somehow, or is the best course of action to just quietly >> remove the unlikley path (which is still skewering the building). >> >> --- >> https://hdy/ >> c.neis-one.org%2F%3Fspiregrain&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher.pankhurst%4 >> 0tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267b544a3ab87d >> 328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561430654%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ >> WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7 >> C%7C%7C&sdata=cq8YxC9mtNHnUN8k%2FvAz5HPAu6Fxv2oNNvzx9pDvApE%3D&reserv >> ed=0 >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lis/ >> ts.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk-gb&data=05%7C02%7Cchristopher. >> pankhurst%40tomtom.com%7C0c8ac622a75a46b4292108dcfd85d92b%7C374f80267 >> b544a3ab87d328fa26ec10d%7C0%7C0%7C638663998561447357%7CUnknown%7CTWFp >> bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M >> n0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=H5KtvyzmmoOtr%2B7dtJHCNq6ZQO1FIlPzOP3gw%2Bo6 >> WpI%3D&reserved=0 >> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ------------------------------ End of Talk-GB Digest, Vol 218, Issue 2 *************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ------------------------------ End of Talk-GB Digest, Vol 218, Issue 3 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
