Oups,
Didn't read all your message. I have seen my name but I don't have time
for that.
Could you stop to use it as I have no time to cross check what you said.
Fred can talk for Fred : )
Just came back from an assessment in Jeremie for the gouvernment. We
have huge work to do. So I am right now with the CNIGS and civil
protection. In the field we flew drone for planification ( Warehouse,
fix the port, damage assessment, etc...)
Let me know if you have more UAV resource, For now we have 2 ebee and 3
quadecopter. + Satellite imagery.
Drone imagery is useful, we are using it in our NGO to promote
technology and use it for local community. Not for the business or the
storytelling.
Only for operational purpose,... far away from the "Humanitarian circus"
or something else.
All the best FredM
On 09/10/2016 01:58, Dale Kunce wrote:
Hey everyone,
First thanks to everyone that has contributed to the base mapping thus
far. Many humanitarian groups including the Red Cross, Canadian
Military, and the UN. I would much rather be mapping than responding
to the copious emails but I wanted to try and end the discussion so we
can get back to mapping.
There has been a lot of chatter about UAV imagery the disaster imagery
charter on the list serve with many accusations flying back and forth.
I in my role as the activation lead for Hurricane Matthew,
Vice-President of HOT, and GIS Lead for the American Red Cross see no
value in trying to coordinate UAV use in Haiti. As has been said by
Blake and Cristiano both of whom know more about this subject than I
HOT should focus on the things we do best and leave coordination of
UAV use and operation to UVAviators.
Yes HOT in 2010 was different and HOT members took extraordinary
measures to update the map for humanitarians. Due largely to those
efforts and later ones in the Philippines, West Africa, Nepal, and
many others HOT has become a trusted source of map data immediately
following a disaster. Groups like the ones mentioned above have deeply
integrated into their work and trust HOT and its amazing volunteers to
provide the map data. One of the reasons HOT is trusted is because of
our consistency. We provide a very reliable service without causing a
lot of drama for the large humanitarian organizations. Throughout my
time responding to disasters over the last few years consistency is
paramount during large scale disasters.
Comparing the airspace and subsequent use of UAVs in Tanzania, during
normal "blue skies" times to the crowded chaotic airspace in Haiti
shows a lack of basic understanding of the complexity of modern
humanitarian operations. If I were empowered, which I'm not even close
to being able to do, to simply put someone in a car or on a helicopter
and send them into the affected areas I wouldn't. Given the reports
from the area from UN, Red Cross, and other NGOs I would send food,
water, and shelter kits.
HOT has declined to support Fred's effort not because we don't think
he has the capability but rather because HOT should and must be
consistent in our work. In fact, Fred flies drones professionally and
is currently under contract to fly a drone mission in Canaan for
American Red Cross prior to Hurricane Matthew, hence he was in Haiti
during the storm. We must understand our place during large scale
international disasters, we must know the limits of our work, and we
must not put the organization at risk without ample time to study and
think about those risks.
Lastly, as things have changed in disasters in the last few years the
need to activate the imagery disaster charter has largely gone away.
HOT has fantastic relationships with imagery providers and
governments. All are often happy to provide imagery when they are
capable of doing so.
If you would like to contribute to the current mapping in Haiti please
grab a task at http://tasks.hotosm.org
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Cristiano Giovando
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Nicolas,
As you well know HOT's strength is in pre-event baseline mapping. We
have done some damage assessment and post-disaster mapping in the
past, but it's not easy and with controversial results.
That being said, I'm sure other responding organizations who request
HOT baseline mapping support may still find it useful to have high
resolution imagery of post event areas, although limited to the range
of a small UAV. I'm not in a position to speak for them.
Again - and I'm asking you personally, please - please let's avoid
confrontation, insinuations, and bring up past arguments. It's
absolutely not the time. If you care about Haiti and HOT, please try
to engage with this community with a constructive, positive and humble
approach. Long emails take effort and thinking, which now would be
much better spent in actually doing (mapping?).
Cheers,
Cristiano
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, nicolas chavent
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hi Blake,
>
> Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on the ground have skills and
extensive
> experience but little resources to keep up their work; this did
not prevent
> them from doing what they are good at. This can limit the span
of their
> action at a time where humanitarian actors need local capacities
to generate
> post disaster UAV imagery as well as satellite imagery to carry
out post
> disaster needs assessment. Support to their work can span from small
> logistics support (rides in UNHAS, helis, plane and cars). This
is quite
> common to get such support in any sudden onset disaster
responses when
> GIS/UAV resources (leading to high impact for IM and decision
making)
> already undersized are rare, too rare.
>
> When HOT started its first field missions, we were exactly in
the same
> situation as Fred. Skilled individuals (less experimented
though) with
> adequate equipment, but with little operational resources. We
did good.
> Without the above mentioned forms of support, though our impact
would have
> been limited and the course of action for OMS in Haiti and in other
> countries different.
>
> With the above in mind, it's weird to read that the president of
HOT US Inc
> stating that the only HOT US Inc support for Fred and this
collective of
> local Haitian dronists is only a well known list of UAV groups
and a pointer
> to UN OCHA. That's of no help.
>
> UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US Inc in Development and
Disaster Risk
> Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks to multi years of UAV
activities in
> Haiti, this country is no longer a terra incognita when it comes
to drones
> and there is no such thing as "UAV missions in disaster zones with
> notoriously complicated airspaces" but an area where it's
possible to
> operate and make the difference we ought to the Haitians and to
the Haitians
> mappers/dronists who acquired part of their skills via HOT US
Inc and OSM
> folks.
>
> Do we have to understand that HOT US Inc will not help with simple
> facilitation work with partner relief organizations working in
Haiti, some
> of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having representatives in the
membership or the
> Board ?
>
> Given where HOT US Inc comes from and ironically in Haiti, this
would mean a
> lot in terms of the losses of our operational/organizational
ethos and would
> raise questions about the reality of support/empowerment schemes
to local
> communities or possible conflict of interest between
members/Board members
> of HOT US Inc and other organizations.
>
> Best,
> Nicolas
>
> [1] : https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania
<https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake Girardot
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nico,
>>
>> As you say, you and Fred have extensive experience in Hait and
working
>> with international partners in Haiti. Fred is actually on the
ground
>> in Haiti. You and he would be the best to coordinate him flying
>> missions.
>>
>> This is not something HOT does, we do not coordinate or push
for UAV
>> missions in disaster zones with notoriously complicated
airspaces. We
>> rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled, by professionals,
which
>> you and Fred are, so I expect you should be able to handle
making the
>> proper arrangements and coordinations.
>>
>> I already suggested who to contact, UAviators, they have
coordinated
>> UAV missions in disaster zones in the past numerous times in
>> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's contact, I passed it on
to you
>> already.
>>
>> This is all HOT can do, except eagerly anticipate the imagery
Fred's
>> missions generate.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Blake
>>
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