Thanks for all the help on islands and townlands. I'm now clear on what happens: I've come across my first islands with clearly marked townlands ( Lough Ree just north of Athlone) - all others I'll leave until I get to Baronies, Civils Parishes and EDs
Castlepollard sheet thanks for that too - my next job Rgds Brian On 14 November 2014 12:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Talk-ie mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ie digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Townlands map scan request (Donal Diamond) > 2. Re: Townlands Islands in lakes (Dave Corley) > 3. Re: openpostcode - any interest? (Conor McDonagh) > 4. Re: openpostcode - any interest? (Rory McCann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:15:42 +0000 > From: Donal Diamond <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands map scan request > Message-ID: > <CAB4yhm4oLSqoR-71h_=hSSmpeX= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Good news. brianh was able to get the missing > IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27-SE-Castlepollard.tif sheet. > > brianh has done a lot of liaising with TCD map library and is the one > responsible for us being able to procure all sheets from TCD. > > > http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=title&query=IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27&show_warped=0 > > D > > > On 12 November 2014 17:17, Donal Diamond <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 12 November 2014 11:18, Brian Prangle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Could I have: > >> > >> 20/25 SE NE and SW > >> > > > > > > > http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=title&query=IRL-GSGS-3906-20-25&show_warped=0 > > > > > >> 23/27 NE and SE > >> > > > > > > > http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=title&query=IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27&show_warped=0 > > > > Hmm - I cant seem to find IRL-GSGS-3906-23-27-SE > > > > I'll see if I have it elsewhere > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:05:39 +0000 > From: Dave Corley <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands Islands in lakes > Message-ID: > < > cahwd_afu8ftyfnhy6pmyeqg2pa7uhkxr1+ln6pmxr_x3tst...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Brian, > > The sheets should give some indication as to whether or not an island > belongs to a townland. For smaller islands, its highly like that they do > not belong to any townland at all. > > The link below shows some islands in Lough Corrib in Galway where the > larger islands are townlands and also shows smaller islands which are not > contained within a townland relation at all. > > > http://dev3.openstreetmap.ie/osm/slippymap.html?zoom=13&lat=53.3838&lon=-9.08475&layers=B00TTTTT > > Note however, that everything, water included, falls into the the Civil > Parish, Barony and Electorl Division relations > > Dave > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Rory McCann <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > For the record, townlands.ie isn't able to distinguish between islands > > like this and land that isn't covered by a townland. So you might > > never get to 100% coverage. This is currently the case with Longford > > http://www.townlands.ie/longford/debug/ . > > > > I'm not sure what to do about it. So long as you know that the > > townlands.ie rate & missing bits is a bit off, it should be fine for > now. > > > > Rory > > > > On 12/11/14 15:14, Patrick Matthews wrote: > > > Islands in lakes or offshore don't usually form part of townlands > > > unless the lake itself is divided between townlands. Either they > > > form townlands in their own right if they're big enough or they get > > > ignored (they are part of electoral divisions, civil parishes and > > > baronies, though). > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Brian Prangle > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi > > >> > > >> In Westmeath we have lots of lakes with islands. How do you > > >> assign islands to townlands? It's not obvious from the maps. > > >> > > >> Rgds > > >> > > >> Brian _______________________________________________ Talk-ie > > >> mailing list [email protected] > > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing > > > list [email protected] > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1 > > > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUZG5KAAoJEOrWdmeZivv2+vAIAK00Gt1kZtQDsCZlhqwtWHau > > 7ilR3S5p8sKRs0lF4DV41svX8wj51PBQlvsCKCGE65F8cIl3+EkpZnMIA7ekxFf7 > > ASvVlpR3iuxVrKuf+hXiAah6viUvS0iZ9DXmfTMxTWAOUOYfDKwe2aKE9xZOcF/J > > 7OeCbc/3a3QL9tmPnMKdmgSKBPqVAWO/gqj1HnUZtcIL2pMl/FY3hA7Bg2sS/Syt > > WN8nygNY3ceARsPwM5IPBjBbN9xB8ceENaXDSBH/X3L+WHkwAgSSkLJ+wFL4Q8ah > > UOf4CqArEKOGPID58t1K7bC4HqCsPW/FFh8FDZBlVW2tL35+GNJJJvksl7k5I98= > > =Y71D > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:54:02 +0000 (UTC) > From: Conor McDonagh <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] openpostcode - any interest? > Message-ID: > < > 244502074.460629.1415958842613.javamail.ya...@jws100108.mail.ne1.yahoo.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It's very official; the Eircode system is designed to be unintelligible > apart from the first part giving the sorting-office area. It has been > finalised and is to role out in 2015. It's most likely defined to meet the > needs of An Post, Revenue and similar authorities. > > An advantage of a more intelligible, geographic coding is that you can > easily identify and recall the code for an area. You can specify a location > to a desired degree of accuracy, e.g. 10km, 1km, 100m, 10m. > > The particular advantages of the openpostcode system as I see it are: that > it has no proprietary aspect; the resolution depends on the length of code, > from 1 to 8 chars (93, 19, 3.7km, 750, 160, 30, 6, 1.2m); the codes are > reasonably short; it describes a geographic box so any location can be > given. > The key thing to my mind is that your average person should be able to > remember and use a code with ease to find places. Remembering a GPS point > isn't easy. I can just about remember that Dublin is around 53N 6W and I > couldn't put a GPS box around my local area.According to openpostcode, I > live in an area generally around KFM2, KFM3, KFM7and KFM8. Dublin is pretty > much within KF, KG, KL and KM. There is a syntax for defining ranges, so I > live in KFM2::KFM8 and Dublin is in KF::M. > Another useful outcome is that geographical analysis can be applied where > people are regularly using codes. For e.g. if sales ads specify a small > area for a person's location, then the data can be usefully analysed to > give statistical maps. > > On Wednesday, 12 November 2014, 12:35:42, Conor McDonagh < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Any interest in the openpostcode system? Have any OSM people looked at it > with view to integrating or using it? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:21:08 +0100 > From: Rory McCann <[email protected]> > To: Conor McDonagh <[email protected]>, Discussion of Open > Streetmap in Ireland <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] openpostcode - any interest? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > Yes the Eircode system has flaws and will be closed. But that's the > system we have to deal with. The UK Postcode system was closed for > years as well. Alas "postcode" in Ireland will mean "Eircode". When > Eircode is launched, we can start adding it to OSM in the > addr:postcode tags. Maybe we'll do some sort of "free the postcode" > for eircode. > > As for integrating with OSM, since openpostcode is an algorithm based > on lat/lons, I don't think there is any way to "integrate" them (or is > there?). OSM provides the lat/lons, do whatever with them. > > Please don't add openpostcode codes to OSM as "addr:postcode", that's > inaccurate until people start using openpostcode. > > The openpostcode map uses Google maps though :P > > *Designing* a postcode is hard. openpostcode has flaws as well. > Sometimes 2 houses of a semi-d will have radically different codes, > meaning you can't use "ranges" at all (e.g. KFLRL2LN and JKQXQ6QF ). A > take away nearby cannot say "We deliver to postcodes starting with KF". > > Rory > > On 14/11/14 10:54, Conor McDonagh wrote: > > It's very official; the Eircode system is designed to be > > unintelligible apart from the first part giving the sorting-office > > area. It has been finalised and is to role out in 2015. It's most > > likely defined to meet the needs of An Post, Revenue and similar > > authorities. > > > > An advantage of a more intelligible, geographic coding is that you > > can easily identify and recall the code for an area. You can > > specify a location to a desired degree of accuracy, e.g. 10km, 1km, > > 100m, 10m. > > > > The particular advantages of the openpostcode system as I see it > > are: that it has no proprietary aspect; the resolution depends on > > the length of code, from 1 to 8 chars (93, 19, 3.7km, 750, 160, 30, > > 6, 1.2m); the codes are reasonably short; it describes a geographic > > box so any location can be given. The key thing to my mind is that > > your average person should be able to remember and use a code with > > ease to find places. Remembering a GPS point isn't easy. I can just > > about remember that Dublin is around 53N 6W and I couldn't put a > > GPS box around my local area.According to openpostcode, I live in > > an area generally around KFM2, KFM3, KFM7and KFM8. Dublin is pretty > > much within KF, KG, KL and KM. There is a syntax for defining > > ranges, so I live in KFM2::KFM8 and Dublin is in KF::M. Another > > useful outcome is that geographical analysis can be applied where > > people are regularly using codes. For e.g. if sales ads specify a > > small area for a person's location, then the data can be usefully > > analysed to give statistical maps. > > > > On Wednesday, 12 November 2014, 12:35:42, Conor McDonagh > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Any interest in the openpostcode system? 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