I'm a mapper based in the UK who maps also in ROI when I'm visiting relatives. We've always been relaxed about where NI mappers see themselves orientated in terms of chapter affiliation. I guess once OSMIE founds as a chapter we'll need to discuss overlapping membership, but let's cross that bridge when we come to it
Regards Brian On 20 April 2017 at 10:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Talk-ie mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-ie digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap United Kingdom > (Dave Corley) > 2. Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap United Kingdom > (Rob Nickerson) > 3. OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap > United Kingdom (Cormac O Murchú) > 4. Mass edits (Colm Moore) > 5. Re: Mass edits (Marc Gemis) > 6. Re: Mass edits (Nick Burrett) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:23:15 +0100 > From: Dave Corley <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland > <[email protected]> > Cc: Colm Moore <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap > United Kingdom > Message-ID: > <CAHwD_AF23NDdsf78kxi0ifMZNCru3qspcLk= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Rob raised this in the past. > > If I recall, past discussions on this subject (NI) and under which group it > should fall, was treated similar to the way the passport situation has been > managed i.e. Those wanting to fall under the UK, registered with the UK > group, those wanting to fall under the All Ireland group, register with > that group. > > If there were conflicts, they would be managed by the group they were > raised to. > > If there was some other major change / issue, both groups would work > together to achieve a successful conclusion. > > With all that said, I do not see any special caveats called out for NI that > would reflect any of the above, so yes, I would like to raise an > objection/concern. > > Simply put, there are folks who will not recognise/resent a single group > covering NI. This needs to be factored into the chapter documents. > > I believe that a discussion to hash out the finer details is warranted and > an agreed set of terms laid out between both entities. Once we get moving > on our chapter status, this would be included in ours also. > > Dave > > > On 19 Apr 2017 12:19, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 18 April 2017 20:40:06 IST, Colm Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > >Paul, > > > >About 12% of my edits are in the UK, mostly Northern Ireland, with a > >strong leaning to power and some other networks. > > > > > >I have no particular opinion on this, other than there are certain > >practicalities that make treating the island of Ireland as a single > >geographical / mapping entity useful, e.g. the shared border, the > >history of places / land administration (county, barony, townland, > >etc.). This isn't just about boundaries, but also physical > >infrastructure (e.g. the A3 has 5 border crossings), Ireland / Northern > >Ireland don't use standard gauge railways (one exception) and > >businesses (e.g. some banks operate on both sides of the border and > >there is a single electricity market, where companies operate on both > >sides of the border). That said, there are other businesses that > >operate only in Britain and Northern Ireland (some banks) or Britain > >and the Republic (Aldi). > > > > > >That said, just because a chapter covers a particular region, doesn't > >mean it can't have friendly relations with its neighbours. :) And it > >doesn't stop people mapping across borders. > > > > > >Note that the crown dependencies are not part of the UK, although there > >are obvious parallels. > > I too live in ROI but include NI in my mapping activities (and Brexit won't > change that :p). OSMIE (http://www.openstreetmap.ie/about-osmie/) has > AFAIK > stalled its progress towards becoming an OSMF local chapter, but I'm sure > this'll eventually get done, and we'll want to include the whole island > under the same umbrella. > > I trust that it isn't a problem for the OSMF if NI is covered by two > distinct OSMF local chapters ? > -- > Vdp > Sent from a phone. > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:43:16 +0100 > From: Rob Nickerson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], Paul Norman > <[email protected]> > Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by OpenStreetMap > United Kingdom > Message-ID: > <CAK4yQTnt4PDsNiwcfpLByZEACagDL5-Z=fD=3AgUP1A3KzumPA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Dave, > > We have indeed said that we wouldn't object to NI being in an all-island > local chapter as well. Users can then pick to be part of OSM UK or OSM IE > or both. > > I think we need OSMF to agree to this but hopefully they recognise the > importance here. The split can be very odd in many places. Colm raised the > newly formed all island single energy market yet you have the Energy > Networks Association (the voice of the networks which has a big voice in > Westminster and Brussels, and i guess also in Irish government) which > covers both UK and Ireland. The industry players are all over the place > now: ESB has ESBI which operates globally, Bord Gáis is owned by Centrica, > etc etc. Other industries have similar things. > > So how would you like to proceed? Perhaps we can agree some text to put > into our agreement with the OSMF? > > Happy to help you set up an Ireland legal entity too. We will of course > always notify you if we intend to write to any NI entities (we previously > discussed the option of sending a joint letter in these instances). > > Rob > > P.s. I work in the energy industry. Give me a shout if you need anything. I > assume you already know about GNIs network development plan and Eirgrids > Dev plan and gen capacity statement? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:00:42 +0100 > From: Cormac O Murchú <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM-talk-ie] Local chapter application by > OpenStreetMap United Kingdom > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Paul and Rob , thanks for your considerate input. > > > > I would word matters so that an OSMF Member in NI has the simple choice of > being a member of the IE Chapter or the UK Chapter, or both simultaneously. > I believe this is entirely acceptable to Southerners who generally would be > members of IE only. > > > > There are many advantages, the UK GOV is more serious about Open Data and > best practice Open Data in the UK is better quality than what is available > in the South. So I am quite amenable to being told ‘how to do Open Geo > Data’ > by other OSMers. > > > > There is a larger pool of expertise in the south on traditional boundaries > (from pre 1921) than in NI itself from what I can see too. > > > > But the best idea is to allow members living in NI to self identify their > choice(s) and for the same rules in both IE and UK chapters to permit this. > > > > Thankfully OSM is a map of the world started by the British and not just of > these small islands. What! :) > > > > My 2c …..or 1.8p > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:50:57 +0000 > From: Colm Moore <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Mass edits > Message-ID: > <DB6PR05MB3144C5B06DB7F2927960F762BD1B0@DB6PR05MB3144. > eurprd05.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > > Tidying up some addresses, I have a 47 entries where: > > * addr:city=Offaly > > * addr:housenumber=Shinrone > * addr:street=Roscrea Road > > Where addr:city should be addr:county and addr:housenumber should be > addr:city. Let's ignore for the moment that the Roscrea Road name is > questionable at the Roscrea end. > > Similarly, I have: > * addr:city=Swords, Co. Dublin (174) - space > * addr:city=Swords, Co.Dublin (108) - no space > > They should all really be addr:city=Swords and addr:county=Dublin or at a > minimum, they should be the same. > > Fixing these manually is fine when there are only a few, but what is the > simplest way of rectifying these types of errors when there are dozens or > hundreds? > > > Colm > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------- > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 05:06:54 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mass edits > Message-ID: > <CAJKJX-QKYGfM6ERZ-_Hc4ZTVY84ARa2Az2o1D_ > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > You could e.g. select them all in JOSM and edit them in one go. Or > write an Overpass query to download only certain data. > > But since you are not inspecting them one-by-one, you are performing a > mechanical edit and have to follow > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct > > > m. > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Colm Moore <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > Tidying up some addresses, I have a 47 entries where: > > > > * addr:city=Offaly > > > > * addr:housenumber=Shinrone > > * addr:street=Roscrea Road > > > > Where addr:city should be addr:county and addr:housenumber should be > addr:city. Let's ignore for the moment that the Roscrea Road name is > questionable at the Roscrea end. > > > > Similarly, I have: > > * addr:city=Swords, Co. Dublin (174) - space > > * addr:city=Swords, Co.Dublin (108) - no space > > > > They should all really be addr:city=Swords and addr:county=Dublin or at > a minimum, they should be the same. > > > > Fixing these manually is fine when there are only a few, but what is the > simplest way of rectifying these types of errors when there are dozens or > hundreds? > > > > > > Colm > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------- > > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:00:19 +0100 > From: Nick Burrett <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mass edits > Message-ID: > <CAKDxb-phA=gMohvdhv=rQ-=9cRAH=p=NyOt=d5fTGU757WkmLg@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > How about deleting them all? All addr:city should be implicit from the > address relations. > > Nick. > > On 20 April 2017 at 04:06, Marc Gemis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You could e.g. select them all in JOSM and edit them in one go. Or > > write an Overpass query to download only certain data. > > > > But since you are not inspecting them one-by-one, you are performing a > > mechanical edit and have to follow > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct > > > > > > m. > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Colm Moore <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > Tidying up some addresses, I have a 47 entries where: > > > > > > * addr:city=Offaly > > > > > > * addr:housenumber=Shinrone > > > * addr:street=Roscrea Road > > > > > > Where addr:city should be addr:county and addr:housenumber should be > > addr:city. Let's ignore for the moment that the Roscrea Road name is > > questionable at the Roscrea end. > > > > > > Similarly, I have: > > > * addr:city=Swords, Co. Dublin (174) - space > > > * addr:city=Swords, Co.Dublin (108) - no space > > > > > > They should all really be addr:city=Swords and addr:county=Dublin or at > > a minimum, they should be the same. > > > > > > Fixing these manually is fine when there are only a few, but what is > the > > simplest way of rectifying these types of errors when there are dozens or > > hundreds? > > > > > > > > > Colm > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. 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