On 23 June 2017 10:18:03 BST, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: >Another idea: Rather that hashing out what's a pub and what's a bar, >why >not use additional tags to narrow it down? There are suggestions for >real_ale=yes/no, food=yes/no, microbrewrey=yes/no various ways to say >"they sell this type of draught beer", real_fire=yes/no. > >If I see something tagged amenity=bar, real_fire=yes, food=no, >drink:beer:Guinness=draught drink:cider:Bulmers=draught tv=no >cocktails=no, then I know exactly what sort of place to expect!
Rory, I would tend to go with the customers v regulars approach. A pub is a part of a community and attracts loyalty. I'm not sure loud music can be used as a comparison, my local certainly has loud music on I open mic night or when there is a singer on. Phil, (trigpoint) > >On 23/06/17 09:55, Alan Grant wrote: >> Thanks all for the replies. I am inclined to agree with Rory, there >seems >> to be little point in worrying too much about establishments that do >not >> fall clearly into one or the other category. Either way the user of >the map >> will know that they are places that serve alcohol; beyond that there >is a >> wide range of individual characteristics (loud music or not? loud >music at >> certain time of the week? live or recorded music? proper food served >from a >> kitchen? emphasis on beer or wine or cocktails? open after midnight? >> children allowed? dress code?) that can never be fully captured by a >binary >> bar/pub split. >> >> On 22 June 2017 at 17:22, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> For the differentiating rule is based on the osm-carto style choice. >Is >>> the normal drink there a pint? Then it's a pub. Is it a cocktail? >Then it's >>> a bar. >>> >>> Though it's not too important. In Hiberno-English the terms are used >>> interchangibly. Perhaps in the UK with their brewery pubs and free >houses >>> it's different. The vast majority of the instances in Ireland are >pubs, not >>> bars (we love our pints). >>> >>> I don't think there's a clear, defined difference between bar & pub. >There >>> are edge cases in Ireland (and I think UK). So maybe tell the >Spanish >>> community that. >>> >>> Like many things in OSM, there are many right answers. :) We'll >never get >>> anything 100%. >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> On 22/06/17 14:50, Alan Grant wrote: >>> >>>> Let me start by introducing myself as I have not posted on talk-ie >before. >>>> I am Irish but live abroad and generally follow the Spanish >(talk-es) >>>> mailing list. >>>> >>>> There is a rather intense debate taking place at the moment on >talk-es (31 >>>> posts and still going) about whether a typical Spanish >neighbourhood bar >>>> should be tagged as amenity=bar, pub, or cafe. Some participants >seem to >>>> assume that the bar-pub distinction is clearly defined in English >(and >>>> specifically in the English OSM wiki) and that the issue is how to >map >>>> that >>>> distinction to Spain. >>>> >>>> I am posting here because I wondered about whether Irish mappers do >in >>>> fact >>>> think this distinction is well-defined and useful. It seems to me >that in >>>> Ireland at least we often use "pub" and "bar" almost >interchangeably - >>>> hence pub names such as "The Harbour Bar". Looking at the wiki some >of the >>>> criteria seem rather vague or of doubtful relevance - should it >matter to >>>> the definition of an amenity if the building that houses it happens >to be >>>> modern or purpose-built? What about the suggestion that food is >normally >>>> available in pubs - I seem to remember that when I was young many >pubs >>>> served little more in the way of food than packets of crisps, does >that >>>> mean they were then bars but have become pubs as they diversified >into >>>> serving food to the lunchtime crowd? >>>> >>>> From taginfo the pub tag vastly outnumbers the bar tag in >Ireland. >>>> Looking >>>> at places tagged as bar, many of them do not seem much different to >their >>>> neighbours tagged as pubs as far as I can see. >>>> >>>> I suppose I am really asking out of curiosity rather than with any >>>> definite >>>> aim, but any thoughts would be welcome. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ie mailing list >>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > >_______________________________________________ >Talk-ie mailing list >Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
