Hi,

Unfortunately this seems to be a general issue with relations - I have had
the same experience as you with walking routes, but also with public
transport routes, and in both Spain and Ireland. I would guess that part of
the problem is that these relations are not shown on the "standard layer"
so mappers can easily not realise they have broken something. I recently
found a horrible distortion in the Tipperary Heritage Way which I had left
in good shape a year ago - it was very obvious on
hiking.waymarked.trails.org, but easy to miss in an editor and invisible on
any non-specialised map. I don't have any solution but would be interested
in suggestions for monitoring specific trails - e.g. I know how to set up a
feed for changes in a bounding box, but that doesn't really work here where
I want to monitor changes to a single object that may extend a long
distance.

On the Ulster Way, is part of the problem that the "modern" Ulster Way is a
bit confusing in the real world? I am not sure how the "link sections"
should be mapped - my understanding is that they are not waymarked on the
ground - should they be mapped at all and if so is there verifiable data
under a suitable licence? I think any attempt to fix the Way as a whole
would need to set out a systematic approach to "quality sections" and "link
section".

One small point - maybe we should avoid using the word "vandalism" as that
might suggest intentional damage and put people on the defensive - these
issues are almost always unintended in my experience.

Regards
Alan

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 18:24, Killyfole and District Development
Association <webmas...@killyfole.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I have done a lot of work on walking and cycling routes over the years,
> but I
> am finding that they are constantly being vandalised, mainly by
> inexperienced
> users not understanding the relations and removing/amending ways without
> also
> fixing the relations.
>
> I was wondering if there was a way to better educate new users in how
> relations work and maybe setup a task group, who can monitor and make
> contact
> with people vandalising data who don't realise it and talk them through
> what
> they are doing wrong.  Maybe this could be automated to ping the IRC
> channel
> when a relation is broken?
>
> I'd also like help in fixing up the existing routes, for example the
> Ulster
> Way, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/918951 and I'm sure there are
> many
> others throughout the country.
>
> Kind regards,
> KDDA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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