Dear Rory, you wrote on HOT task 9844:
From my understanding they made efforts to engage you and ask for your
help. Further, I believe the YouthMappers chapter in Panama responded
to you and shared with you the OSM Wiki pages (per the OEG guidelines)
they had created for these tasks on another OSM channel
While we don't provide links, we're leaving space for misunderstanding,
so instead of misunderstanding you, let me tell you I simply do not
understand what you're talking about, would you mind providing some
detail? I'm not aware of (recent) efforts to get in contact and
definitely of any effort at all for staying in contact. I do not even
know who's the new president of the chapter, let alone the members, or
their plans.
the DWG blocked some of their accounts, and in the text of the message
they received there was this part:
The most important bit here is that every single member of your team
is recognizable as being in our team (e.g. by writing something on the
user profile page) and that the team leadership is reachable for us.
The page they created does not contain a list of their members, and none
of the persons who's read the message has complied with this request.
as said, we don't know who's at the leadership.
so, no, I don't believe the YouthMappers chapter in Panama responded to
either me nor the DWG.
best regards,
Mario Frasca
the complete text of the lock message follows (containing still open
questions):
Dear Youth Mappers at Panama University,
recently, a number of complaints have been raised against your work in
OpenStreetMap. Here are some of them:
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=12196736
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=12196736>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366434
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366434>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366436
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366436>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4928257
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4928257>
We’re always happy if new poeple join OSM, but if you train students
to contribute to OSM, you have a responsibility to monitor the quality
and ensure that if other mappers raise complaints, these complaints
are heard and acted upon.
In your future work in OSM, please observe the organised editing
guidelines outlined here:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines>
The most important bit here is that every single member of your team
is recognizable as being in our team (e.g. by writing something on the
user profile page) and that the team leadership is reachable for us.
The guidelines also require that you document your mapping efforts.
One user has done this for you in his diary entry:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariotomo/diary/395025
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariotomo/diary/395025>
But this is not a job that the community should be doing for you - it
is you whou should be providing this documentation.
Please, in your future OSM projects, ensure that students receive
proper training and follow the organised editing guidelines.
It is not a big deal if someone makes a mistake - we all make
mistakes. But, since you are introducing new people to OSM every year,
you really need to make it a part of that introduction to explain to
students that they need to work together with the existing OSM
community, and that they don’t exist in an empty space.
I am writing this as a block message to all accounts that are
currently involved hoping that it finally reaches someone who is
responsible, as the individual accounts do not list a contact address,
have not reacted to changeset comments, and emails from OSM mappers to
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> have been without
response.
Please ignore this message and accept my apologies if you are not
involved with the group.
Thank you for your understanding Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Workin Group
Ticket#2020120710000024
On 14/12/2020 08:48, Mario Frasca wrote:
queridos jóvenes mapeadores de la universidad de Panamá,
estoy comentando unas ediciones que están entrando en vuestras áreas
de interés, ejecutadas en forma de revisión de los datos brutos, sea
insertados durante vuestros "mapathon", sea llegando gracias a los
proyectos que siguen abiertos y siguen atrayendo principiantes.
en particular Marianne_pty me responde
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95350683), y me pide que no
le dé comentarios generales.
pero, cuál canal tenemos abierto, para los comentarios generales?
intento vuestro correo e involucro la lista regional.
en el caso de Colón, los YMUP han escojido un lugar en que se está
tumbando y reconstruyendo. las fotos están —todas — desactualizadas,
Bing muestra una realidad que ya no existe, mientras Maxar muestra
muchos edificios destechados, o sea ya no son `building` sino
`disused:`, `abandoned:` o quizás serían `landuse=greenfield`, tal vez
ya `landuse=construction` o podrían ser nuevos edificios ya entregados.
o sea: al momento mapear Colón es difícil, y les cuento que no
entiendo vuestra decisión de empujar maperos principiantes en un lugar
tan complicado y dinámico. igualmente difícil (aunque menos dinámico)
es vuestro mapeo de San Miguelito, donde tuvieron que llamar expertos
extranjeros, creo que de HOT, para revisar las ediciones, que lo están
haciendo sin consultarse con los maperos activos en el país.
Marianne_pty escribe que vuestro grupo también se siente comprometido
con "la zona de Chiriquí afectada por el Huracán". pero no entiendo,
ya tienen sin completar la actividad HOT 4917, el área de Guna Nega,
las comunidades amenazadas por los ríos en en sur del distrito de
Mariato, porqué no concentrarse en una cosa, sencilla o por lo menos a
su alcance, y completarla aprendiendo de ella?
además: cuál zona?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:YMUP-2020-11-organized-editing-Chiriqu%C3%AD.jpg
cordialmente,
Mario Frasca
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