Noel,
This is my opinion...
It is feasible but not practical, the names of the establishments will
be used as our points of interest (POI). My point is, those
establishments is on the ground and should be mapped and identified. OSM
will not become as you say it "commercially-oriented" instead, it will
be very useful to have those POIs intact. For example, if you are
looking for Mercury Drug because it is your preferred drugstore then if
the scenario is all the names of these drugstores were removed, you will
be guessing and hoping that the next drugstore is the one you preferred.
Its really hard to use the map that way. In my case I downloaded the OSM
tiles into my Palm (osm2palm) and I use it whenever I'm in Manila the
establishment's names were very useful for me to identify my location in
the map.
murlwe
<-----Original Message----->
>From: noel mondragon [noel_pylo...@yahoo.com]
>Sent: 5/7/2009 8:23:11 AM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8
>
>My suggestion is that we can POI like drugstores, fastfood but we will
not put
>the name like McDonalds or Jollibee or Mercury Drugstore??or resort? Is
it that
>feasible. It will make the OSM as commercially-oriented if we put
commercial
>establishments with names....
>
>Comments? thanks.
>
>-noel
>
>
>--- On Wed, 5/6/09, talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org
><talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> From: talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org
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>> Subject: talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8
>> To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:55 AM
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>> 1. POIs Part 2 (Ahmed Farooq)
>> 2. Re: What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
>> City)
>> (Eugene Alvin Villar)
>> 3. Re: What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the
>> City)
>> (Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:40:05 -0400
>> From: "Ahmed Farooq" <ah...@enthropia.com>
>> Subject: [talk-ph] POIs Part 2
>> To: "'Eugene Alvin Villar'"
>> <sea...@gmail.com>, "'maning
>> sambale'"
>> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 'OSM' <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org>
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>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to add - have you seen the Boracay map? While it
>> looks fantastic that
>> it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has
>> lead to a map
>> that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example
>>
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.92536830902
1/17
>> / - "Mango Ray Shenna's Resort" - are those
>> two places? One? Which building
>> is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one?
>>
>>
>>
>> A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be
>> interested in - a
>> statue, a building, even a public transit location. But
>> specific businesses
>> (be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create
>> clutter and a mess
>> - which will only get worse as businesses are created and
>> others go out of
>> business.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having too much data (especially as part of the primary
>> data set) is
>> contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map.
>>
>>
>>
>> -A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org
>> [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of
>> Eugene Alvin Villar
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:28 AM
>> To: maning sambale
>> Cc: OSM
>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was
>> Click the City)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 PM, maning sambale
>> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just my take,
>> 1. If it's on the ground it should be mapped.
>>
>>
>> This is a good guideline in general but of course a line
>> has to be drawn
>> somewhere (pun not intended). I don't think drawing the
>> individual stripes
>> of a pedestrian walkway is productive even if it *is* on
>> the ground. A map
>> is supposed to be a representation--not a facsimile of the
>> real world.
>> That's why we represent roads in OSM using center lines
>> and not (at the
>> moment) as areas.
>>
>>
>> 2. If somebody bothered to map fishball vendors in Luneta,
>> nobody's
>> stopping him.
>>
>>
>> Fishball vendors are probably not a good example for your
>> point since they
>> are too ephemeral to be mapped. But anyway, OSM is a
>> community project and
>> we work on consensus. While we do encourage people to map
>> what they think
>> are important, I don't think we should just let people
>> map things like
>> "Location of Mark and Jenny's first kiss",
>> right?
>>
>> 3 years ago (am I that old in OSM?), my only goal is to map
>> major
>> highways around the metro, now it's there. But we want
>> more. We've
>> mapped footways, cycleways, I even saw driveways somewhere.
>> If
>> somebody sees the importance of a certain feature then by
>> all means
>> let them map it.
>>
>> If I can collect data for breeding sites of all the
>> endangered bird
>> species (and I think it is important) I will possibly map
>> it here.
>>
>> I agree there should be some limits and priorities (at the
>> moment) but
>> I am hopeful we will get to a point where we will map
>> individual
>> houses with addresses
>>
>>
>> I disagree that the limits are there just for the moment. I
>> think there
>> should be a limit imposed at all times (the limit can move
>> over time, but
>> there is still a limit). For instance, Wikipedia has
>> guidelines on what is
>> NOT acceptable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT)
>> eventhough the presence
>> of those guidelines run counter to Wikipedia's lofty
>> aim to be the "sum of
>> all human knowledge".
>>
>> I think individual features for detached residential houses
>> are OK, but I
>> really don't think we need to place a point for every
>> unit in high-rise
>> condominiums.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar
>> <sea...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > It's tempting to mark out in OSM all of the
>> Jollibee, McDonald's, and
>> > Starbucks branches in the Philippines but I'm
>> wondering if this is wise.
>> Do
>> > we mark out every retail store, every bank branch,
>> every Western
>> > Union/FedEx/LBC outlet, and every company's office
>> in OSM? My personal
>> take
>> > is that we don't need to.
>> >
>> > One big problem is multi-storey malls like SM Megamall
>> that have hundreds
>> of
>> > tenants. It'll be quite unwieldy to maintain and
>> edit overlapping POIs in
>> > such a small land area.
>> >
>> > I feel that the level of detail we should attain is
>> down to the building
>> > level. If we know that there's a Jollibee in
>> Megamall Building A, then
>> it's
>> > enough for us to map out where Building A is, but not
>> where the Jollibee
>> > there is exactly.
>> >
>> > In the specific case of malls, exceptions will be
>> added for anchor
>> tenants,
>> > like in SM Megamall: the SM Department Store, ACE
>> Hardware, SM
>> Supermarket,
>> > SM Cinemas, the Megatrade Halls, etc. No need to mark
>> out each and every
>> > McDo, KFC, Jollibee, Bench, Penshoppe, Levi's,
>> BPI, Chinabank, etc. in the
>> > mall.
>> >
>> > A comprehensive database of all retail addresses is
>> better suited to
>> > something like OpenYellowPages, not OpenStreetMap.
>> >
>> > What do you guys think?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM, maning sambale
>> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What I mean is address in
>
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