Dear Eugene,
Thank you very much for your very good feedback. First of all, I just realized that attachments were not kept in the discussion list. I have therefore posted here the proposed form for data collection: <http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/PROJECTS/PHL/HF_fields_for_OSM_040213.doc> http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/PROJECTS/PHL/HF_fields_for_OSM_040213.doc. Now coming back to your feedback: 1. Device used for location health facilities: Any device would be fine as long as they allow to capture all the associated information reported in the form (nbr of sat signal, horizontal accuracy, 5 decimals). 2. Use of Bing Map: Did you ever do an assessment of the horizontal accuracy of the images you can access through this platform? If yes, what is the maximum horizontal error you have encountered over the Philippines? If not, I would be interested in discussing a way to estimate this accuracy before these images are being used for collecting points. What about the availability of high resolution images in Bing map? Would you consider it has being equal or better than in Google Earth? 3. Copyright: thanks for pointing us to the Intellectual property code of the Philippines. I I downloaded it from here http://www.aijc.com.ph/PCCF/observatory/pfd%20files/policies/IPR/ipr.pdf but could not find the sentence you are referring to. Could you please tell me in which section of the document it is mentioned? Maybe that the above link does not point to the complete document. Thanks once more for your inputs and in advance for your answer on the above. Best regards, Steeve Steeve Ebener, Ph.D. CEO Gaia GeoSystems P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman cell: +968 952 57 526 email: <mailto:steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org web: <http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/> www.gaia-geosystems.org Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener> http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener logo_emails_72One Planet, One System P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you From: Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:sea...@gmail.com] Sent: lundi 4 février 2013 20:04 To: Steeve Ebener Cc: osm-ph; Mark Anthonie Bello; gerald aguinaldo Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities Hi Steeve, We have some interesting issues here... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Steeve Ebener < <mailto:steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> wrote: Dear Maning, Thank you very much for your email to the group and all the great work you guys are doing. Few complement of information from our side: - we need to standardize the way location are collected either using GPS devices or Google Earth/map. The attached form is therefore proposed for your review/feedback/comments. - In order to avoid duplication of work, the DOH would provide OSM with the list of facilities (including DOH codes) for which a coordinate is missing If OSM contributors will help locating health facilities by adding data to the OSM database, then our source will either be any of the following: 1. GPS device (standalone like Garmin or TomTom, or a mobile app like on Android or iOS) 2. By locating on Bing Maps. We cannot use Google Maps or Google Earth to add data to the OSM database, but we have permission from Microsoft to use Bing Maps aerial imagery to add data ONLY to the OSM database. Other people are free to obtain the same data but via OSM's database license. 3. By extrapolating from the existing OSM data. For example, given an address of a facility, it may be possible to locate the facility just by interpreting the address. - Regarding the data sharing issue. It is now clear that we will have to keep OSM and DOH geo-location DB separated which means that: - it will unfortunately not be possible to integrate DOH points in OSM data This I find interesting. According to the Intellectual property code of the Philippines (R.A. 8293), "No copyright shall subsist in any work of the Government of the Philippines." If the DOH data has been collected by DOH employees in the course of their official duties, then there is no copyright. The non-profit clause has been argued to be a separate right from copyright. If that is the case, then it *may be* should be possible to include the pure DOH data into OSM. - OSM collected points will be integrated into DOH DB with a clear mention of the source. I of course can't promise this will happen for sure, but I will personally work on getting an official acknowledgement from the DOH regarding OSM contribution to this work. In addition to that, the first discussion I had seems to indicate that it will be possible for OSM to mention their contribution to filling the gaps in DOH's DB. Please bare with me on this as there is still some way to go but I will keep pushing. Have you read the ODbL, which is the open license under which OSM data is licensed? Certainly, attribution to the OSM contributors is required, but the share-alike property also needs to be followed. Regards, Eugene Looking forward hearing from the group on your email and the above (I have registered to the mailing list) and the possibility to work together on this. Best regards, Steeve Steeve Ebener, Ph.D. CEO Gaia GeoSystems P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman cell: <tel:%2B968%20952%2057%20526> +968 952 57 526 email: <mailto:steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org web: <http://www.gaia-geosystems.org> www.gaia-geosystems.org Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener> http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener One Planet, One System P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: maning sambale [mailto: <mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: vendredi 1 février 2013 15:03 To: osm-ph; Steeve Ebener; Mark Anthonie Bello Subject: Possible collaboration with OSM and DOH to locate health facilities Dear everyone, I had a meeting with Department of Health (DOH) IMS division on the possibility of collaborating with the OSM-PH community. No clear plans yet on the collaboration but I would like to put forward the discussions in this list. = Overview = Basically, DOH intends to improve their database for the location of health facilities in the country. They will use the data on several information management of the Department. At the moment, they have several database developed in various projects. Each db uses a different system but one thing they lack is a uniform geographic identifier. An example of the db is available in the Unified Health Management Information System portal [0]. This online portal lists ~21,000 health facilities all over the country. At the moment they were able to geocode ~4,000 locations [2] (~20%). = What they need from OSM = A couple of ideas that were discussed are: - Verify the location of the 4,000 geocoded facilities in the existing OSM data. Right now, there isn't any clear evaluation on the accuracy of the locations (a process of Q/A is now being developed). Some facilities are actually in Sulu Sea! Check out the southern part of Negros island [2]. - Fill in the gaps. the IMS division have limited funds to individually verify and take GPS readings of each facility. OSM data can possibly fill in the gaps. Using the Overpass turbo [3], I was able to check that we have ~1,100 amenity=hospital ways and nodes. Note that some maybe duplicates and I have not included other health facilities like barangay health centers (tagged as amenity=clinic clinic=public [4]). - Ask the community to map more health facilities. The only additional tag they want included is the Health Facility Code (an alphanumeric code similar to NSCB's PSGC [5]). This code will allow them to link the OSM geometry into their health facility db. - Train DOH staff to edit OSM. - Build some easy to use tools to collect data in the field. = Pending issues = As with most government data, they are available only on a non-commercial use. Specifically, the DOH generated locations. For the other information in the online db, they are OK with public access without restrictions. This will be in conflict with OSM's ODbL. A workaround discussed was to separate the DOH db with OSM's data points. No public db will be distributed that integrates both data sources. Is this in compliance with the ODbL? If not, what are other ways in which we can use OSM data in relation to DOH's plans. Everything I've listed are open to discussions. I included here two people from DOH to keep them aware of the discussions. (@ Steeve and Mark, please subscribe to our mailinglist [6] to keep track of the discussions) Regardless of what DOH intends to do, I encourage everyone to include health facilities in your own list of things to map. Thanks! --- [0] <http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/UnifiedHMIS/> http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/UnifiedHMIS/ [1] <http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/doh_facility/rfacilitieslist.php?cmd=resetall> http://uhmis1.doh.gov.ph/doh_facility/rfacilitieslist.php?cmd=resetall [2] <http://maps.doh.gov.ph/facilities.html> http://maps.doh.gov.ph/facilities.html [3] <http://overpass-turbo.eu/> http://overpass-turbo.eu/ [4] <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-March/001872.html> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-March/001872.html [5] <http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/default.asp> http://www.nscb.gov.ph/activestats/psgc/default.asp [6] <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning ------------------------------------------------------ "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: <http://esambale.wikispaces.com/> http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: <http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/> http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ talk-ph mailing list <mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
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