Viva, A minha opinião sobre a CAOP, que sei não é partilhada por todos nesta lista, é que deve ser importada de forma automática para o OSM. Talvez não do modo como o Marcos começou a fazer mas defendo que se deve desenvolver um método automático que possa ser reutilizado ano após ano (com eventuais adaptações). Penso que é isso que o Francisco está a desenvolver.
E será talvez esse o ponto que culminou neste episódio. Sem ter falado com nenhum dos intervenientes arrisco a dizer que o Marcos ficou impaciente porque o trabalho de importação está a demorar e resolveu "atalhar caminho". Por outro lado o Francisco ficou aborrecido porque viu que o trabalho que tem vindo a desenvolver estava a ser "minado". Ambos são uma grande mais valia para a comunidade OSM e espero que ponham isto para trás das costas. Que tal contribuirmos todos para a discussão técnica da melhor forma de fazer a importação? Se a solução for a que o Francisco está a desenvolver convém de qualquer forma que existam outras pessoas que percebam o problema e a solução, para que a comunidade não fique a depender de uma única pessoa. Um abraço, Rúben On 19-11-2014 00:07, Marcos Oliveira wrote: > Olá a todos, > > Eu queria-vos dar a conhecer que enviei para o Data Working Group > (DWG) um e-mail sobre esta situação, assim como o pedido para reverter > tudo o que a minha conta de importação fez desde o dia que a criei. > > Coloco abaixo a mensagem que enviei-lhes, na sua integra, para assim > todos terem o conhecimento do que eu escrevi. > > Com toda a estima, > Marcos Oliveira > > Data Working Group, > > Hello, I am Marcos Oliveira and I'm contacting you to discuss > about a current problem that exists in the Portuguese OSM > community where I am the sole responsible in question. > > The issue is regarding the alteration and addition of > administrative boundaries and natural parks through my alternate > account, ViriatoLusitano_import. [1] > > A user, Francisco, submitted a thread in the Portuguese mailing > list [2] stating how I have been disrespecting the work of others > by eliminating nodes, ways and relations, namely places and > boundaries (administrative and natural parks), claiming that I've > been doing outright vandalism. He also claims to have sent you an > e-mail about this situation. > > Let me show you my version of the story. I want it to be > explicitly known that I'm *not claiming* to be innocent, I admit > I've done many things wrong but vandalizing is not one of them. > > Francisco brought forward three main issues that I've caused: > > 1. The deletion of ways and relations that other users have made > 2. The modification of Portugal/Spain boundary > 3. The removal of places, namely hamlets > > Regarding the first point, when I began working on manually > importing administrative boundaries back on the 12th of September, > I always tried working using the existing elements that were > contributed by other people. The problem was that whenever I tried > to upload the progress I've done (after successfully validating), > there appeared conflicts in the data, sometimes in the hundreds. > > Since I didn't want to mess and probably ruin different types of > data other than administrative boundaries, I opted to first remove > the old boundaries where I later carefully imported my own work, > without first contacting the Portuguese community about this. > > Just recently I have learned to use the "replace geometry" tool > that the /utilsplugin2/ plugin offers to conflate the data; now I > can work without ever having to delete a way nor any relations > whatsoever. > > Regarding the second point, while I was working near the boundary > with Spain I found out that there were places where the boundary > was erroneous: sometimes our (or their) territory was hundreds of > meters away from were it was supposed to be. > > What I've done was, (again, I didn't want to cause any conflicts > with the existing data), remove the old way while at the same time > replacing it with one that followed official data from CAOP 2014 > as well as it having all the tags it previously had, including > relations that included said way. > > Again, in my ignorance, I disregarded it as something unimportant > to discuss with the Portuguese and the Spanish community because I > thoroughly checked every relation to see if I was not breaking > anything. > > Regarding the third point, I removed a lot of hamlets, not because > I didn't like them, but because I was suspicious they were bad > data that was transcribed either from gpspostcode [3] (licence not > compatible with OSM) or Google because a lot of hamlets had the > exact same coordinates as the information provided by the entities > I mentioned just now. Once again, I didn't discuss this removal > with the community. > > I've always planned on replacing the data because I don't like > removing data from OSM. I asked some family members that live in > the same general area where the removals were made about the many > hamlets that existed. As of now I've already received information > for one municipality which I promptly edited back into OSM. [4] > > In short, I have removed existing data and replaced it with data > that was 100% manually verified that was of same or better > quality. The central problem is that I removed the history that > contributors before me have made. This is a very big mistake I've > done, I admit, but it is not vandalism. > > Having stated my arguments, I also come to you to ask permission > for you to completely revert my import account in order to correct > the mistakes I've done. > > A friendly contributor called naoliv, and I have been trying to > find all day a way to successfully conflate the old, deleted data > with the new, improved data that I've inserted. What we have found > is that it is possible but will take a very long time and it is > actually more time efficient to just revert all my edits and start > anew, respecting the work of others and the wishes of the > community as I should always have done. > > My motto is to help, not hurt the work of others. > > I'm deeply sorry for doing what I've done, it won't happen again. > > Yours sincerely, > Marcos Oliveira aka. ViriatoLusitano > > [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import > [2] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pt/2014-November/001038.html > [3] http://www.gpspostcode.com/ > [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-pt mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
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