Thanks Roman and Ali (who wrote me directly): What I understand is that:
- ilçe is a town, or also a district within a city - mahalle is a neighborhood in an ilçe - semtler is also a neighborhood, not official or administrative, but rather something that residents call the area, most likely from the past when they were used as administrative units (neighborhoods) I would propose for OSM tagging the following schema: - ilçe, when indicating an independent town, be tagged as place=town - ilçe, when indicating a district of a city (ie the 39 ilçe in Istanbul), be tagged as place=suburb - mahalle, which fall administratively under the districts, be tagged as place=neighbourhood - semtler, which are like neighborhoods but not administrative, be tagged as place=quarter Any disagreements/suggestions on this? I will post in the Facebook group as well to see what people think there. My biggest question is whether the ilçe of Istanbul should be tagged as place=suburb or place=town (as they are now) ~Jeff On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Roman Neumüller <em...@katpatuka.org> wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I've been mapping a lot in Turkey but can only tell for sure that > > * il = province (admin_level=4) > * ilçe = town = district = district center (admin_level=6) > * köy = village (admin_level=8) > > Concerning suburb/neighborhood (mahalle/semt) I'm still unsure and up to > now > didn't get ANY response from the Turkish community regarding classification > (see https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-tr/2014-Novem > ber/000362.html) > > The community is not very active in the mailinglist - they may be more > active in > a facebook group (I don't use fb) > > https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapTurkey/ > > Semt seems as if only being used in big cities - wikipedia calls them > "quarters": > > * https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Türkiye'deki_semtler > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quarters_in_Turkey > > Even villages may have 1) suburbs which I give the neighborhood tag and 2) > "mezra"s > where I use hamlet. > > Yayla vary from location (no house at all) over hamlet (some houses) to > suburb/village > (if big like a village) > > Wikipedia says yayla = Plateau - in German I'd rather call them "Alm". > > Bucak is sort of deprecated (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki > /Bucak_(administrative_unit)) > > Another thing is that most villages in metropolitan municipalities have > been converted > to suburbs (6360 Metropolıtan Law) after 2012 > > http://econpapers.repec.org/article/scn000raj/383.htm > > > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 10:42:29 +0300, Jeff Haack <jeff.ha...@hotosm.org> > wrote: > > Hi OSMers, >> >> I'm trying to understand the placename classifications in Istanbul and >> how those relate to OSM tags, and hoping someone can help. In Istanbul >> there >> are ilçe (districts) and mahalle (neighborhoods). But then there are >> also semtler - what is the difference between mahalle and semtler? >> >> Also I'm wondering about how to tag places. From the OSM wiki it seems >> that districts should be place=suburb and mahalle should be >> place=neighborhood, but on the map the districts are usually place=town >> and mahalle/semtleri are either place=suburb or place=neighborhood. Is >> there >> any reason for tagging ilçe as place=town? >> >> Does anyone have a suggestion on how to formalize the tags? >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff >> > > > -- > katpatuka.org > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-tr mailing list > Talk-tr@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-tr > -- Jeff Haack Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team jeff.ha...@hotosm.org +90 537 821 1338
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