On 20 Feb 2009, at 16:19, Thomas Wood wrote: > 2009/2/20 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <[email protected]>: >> Thomas Wood [mailto:[email protected]] wrote: >>> Sent: 20 February 2009 2:51 PM >>> To: Shaun McDonald >>> Cc: Peter Miller; [email protected]; talk- >>> [email protected]; Brian Prangle; Andy Robinson >>> (blackadder-lists) >>> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] NAPTAN database >>> >>> 2009/2/20 Shaun McDonald <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> On 20 Feb 2009, at 14:12, Thomas Wood wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The NaPTAN code is useful to the public. One can text that code >>>>>> to a >>>>>> phone >>>>>> number and get information about upcoming departures. >>>>>> http://www.pti.org.uk/SMS/SMS.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> The number 504974 might be an asset number of the bus stop used >>>>>> by the >>>>>> authority for management purposes. That might belong in the >>>>>> PlateCode >>>>>> field, >>>>>> but the problem with non-naptan fields is that they will be done >>>>>> differently >>>>>> in different parts of the county. >>>>>> >>>>>> Should YT go in Ref? I am not sure about that. It might be >>>>>> better to >>>>>> using >>>>>> the naptancode there which is unique nationally. >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion, yes, where provided. However, since my view is >>>>> essentially London-only, (where NaptanCodes don't exist at all), I >>>>> find that the Stop indicator is the most useful thing, since it is >>>>> almost essential to differentiate stops at transport hubs. >>>>> I don't see any problem with having a non-unique ref=, since >>>>> it's be >>>>> likely to be unique on a local scale which is when it is most >>>>> useful. >>>> >>>> I have seen these local codes on a red circle at the top of the >>>> pole in >>>> Edinburgh. I always enter them as local_ref=... since it a is a >>>> local >>>> reference. ref=... should be used for the national ref of the bus >>>> stop in >>> my >>>> opinion. >>>> >>>> >>>> Shaun >>> >>> Very well. Changed the converter, and wiki. >> >> Not sure if ref= has universally been used for bus_stops. I know >> all the >> ones I've mapped use that. Easy enough to change though. >> >> I think it may be correct that the numbers on shelters in my photos >> are >> asset numbers, however these stops don't appear to carry any other >> reference >> number. All non shelter bus stops in West Mids carry a number in a >> different >> format as per link below. Does this number appear in the NaPTAN data? >> >> http://ajr.hopto.org/osm/SD530502.JPG >> >> If these on-the-ground reference numbers are not in the NaPTAN data >> then we >> have quite a bit of work to do to map stops properly. >> >> Cheers >> >> Andy > > > Those are the last 7 digits of the unique, nationwide AtcoCode. I've > not seen them publicly anywhere else. > Those codes are starting to turn up on printed information in timetable cases in various places together with a brief description on how to use them. I don't have a photo handy but I have seen them 'in the field' and Traveline are keen on them and they are spreading. Lets not loose the information, but possibly we leave it in the naptan:atcocode field for the time being.
Regards, Peter > -- > Regards, > Thomas Wood > (Edgemaster) _______________________________________________ Talk-transit mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
