On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Peter Miller <[email protected]>wrote:
> That was my feeling as well. The complexity of Trams will be easier to > explain in its own article. The name of the article matters less than the > content given that it can be moved. Lets start writing the articles and then > we can see what feel right and ensure that all the titles are consistent. If > we have Trams, then we should have Buses and Trains etc. Busways doesn't > make sense so I suggest Trams is right actually. > Cool. I'll start this now. > You will also notice that I am also plugging a proposal I am >> developing for a new consistent Stop Place model ( based on Oxoma's >> proposal) which you can read about here: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:PeterIto/Stop_Place > > > I'm getting a little confused by having so many separate proposals on so > many different pages (many of which are user pages). I'd suggest: > > a) developing these schemes within the public namespace, so as to encourage > more collaboration/discussion. > > > I totally agree. I was developing it in my name-space out of politeness > with the intention of moving it to the main space if the community requested > it. I suggest we work to get one article that works for us and then we make > it clear that the other proposals are now redundant (useful and great that > they were produced, but not a suitable reference for current tagging). I > will move it later today until I hear any objections. Feel free to edit away > if you like in the mean time. > Great. b) splitting the pages down into smaller components - eg railways, bus > stops, train services, train stations, etc. Whilst it's good to have an > overall conceptual model, I think most mappers will be more interested in > understanding how to tag at a feature level. > > > Umm.. I think it is important to have a page for the conceptual model and > then when we are happy with it, we introduce it into the other articles in > the context of that transport mode. A description of a Stop Place for a > drag-lift will be pretty different from that of an airport, but I am keen > that there is a consistency across modes from a programming and tagging > perspective. > > I think I more-or-less agree. I'm mainly just keen that we keep the discussion embedded in the context of actual usage (with plenty of real-life examples) rather than being too abstract. > I think we should also remove the redirect from > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:public_transport and turn that into > a standard Key page (with the KeyDescription infobox) documenting existing > and proposed usage of the key. Likewise, it'd be useful to have the > relevant tag and key pages for all the other tags and keys that are in use > or proposed. > > > It is certainly not appropriate for it to redirect to a user page. For now > I have redirected it to the Transit article until someone fancies adding > some content, however.... I am not clear if we even want a key of that > title, should we not standarise on Transit rather than public transport. The > proposed use of the tag is something I would prefer to call stop_place > anyway. > I agree that whether we need the key or not is unclear. However, since there's at least some usages of it currently, I think it's worth documenting what the existing practice is at least (same for other tags with significant usage). This reminds me - I think it'd be worth encouraging people here to share links to OSM for public transport stops/routes/etc that they've mapped, for feedback and discussion. I did this a while back on the discussion page for the unified_stoparea proposal (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/unified_stoparea) In this spirit, here's what I've mostly done so far: Oxford Road train station ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/78910) - mapped the platforms as areas (railway=platform, role=platform) - mapped all the tracks, and the stopping points (role=halt) with one of them marked as the 'main' one with railway=station and a name tag. - station building outline (building=yes, no role) - footbridge and steps (not part of the relation - wasn't sure whether they should be?) Have started to map the tram system in Manchester as two separate tracks ( http://osm.org/go/evgo1FaS--) though this is complicated by the sharing of ways with the highway, and the current part-closure of the system for track replacement. Mapping UK tram system routes as relations (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Trams) Mapping UK 'minor railway' routes as relations (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Independent_and_minor_railways ) Would welcome comments on any of those - and would love to see which bits of the map other people are working on! Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com
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