I mean timetables as in the ones that get printed. Will believe NaPTAN names - a bit weird in almost every case round here - in printed/PDF Stagecoach timetables round here when I see it...
Roger Slevin wrote: > Péter<< It's not just an affectation. > > ALL timetables shown on traveline south east, east midlands and east anglia > already display NaPTAN names without exception, as do all journey plans on > those systems and on the national Transport Direct journey planner. The > national arrangements for electronic registration of bus services is also > based on NaPTAN names being used for all timetables ... so all Stagecoach > timetables will be using NaPTAN names by next year ... and others will > follow as electronic registration is implemented across the industry. There > are many other services where NaPTAN names are already in use nationwide - > such as NextBuses. > > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Péter Connell > Sent: 08 September 2009 21:28 > To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] One last question (for now) > > Hmmm... yeah... the biggest gap is probably spreading to drivers. > > I don't think NaPTAN names are going to spread to timetables though. At > least not in the medium term. > > Another question is whether bus stop names are about identifying bus > stops for navigation, identifying bus stops for getting on buses or > identifying bus stops for getting /off/ buses. > > There is an interesting bit about "landmarks" in stop names as well > here: http://www.metrobus.co.uk/content/uploads/rte541.pdf > > > > Peter Miller wrote: > >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:09, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: >> >> >>> Don't be too hasty (although 5 years seems long enough): there are >>> two stops on Castle Boulevard, Nottingham named MFI, which must be 2 >>> years 'out-of-date'. Many locals will remember the presence of MFI >>> long after the chain closed and the site is used for something else. >>> There is a location on Nottingham ring-road known as The Futurist, >>> after a cinema which closed in the '60s. >>> >>> This is very similar to bus stops (or even locations) named after >>> pubs. I'm sure the A40 still has a Target roundabout on the road >>> between Yeading and Greenford, although I remember the pub becoming a >>> Macdonalds in the 1980s! There are quite a few bus stops in >>> Nottingham which have pub names which seem to be changing to a non >>> pub-based name. So "The Crown at Beeston" has become "Police >>> Station", two or three stops along "The Hop-Pole" has become >>> something completely unmemorable (a street name). The two operators >>> of routes along this road use different names, and not all the bus >>> signs have been updated. I don't know if this is a policy based on >>> the current ephemeral nature of pubs (today I mapped lots of boarded >>> up ones, and even the ones which appeared to be open, often have >>> "lease this ..." signs outside), or perhaps influenced by >>> multi-cultural considerations. Unfortunately they also seem to have >>> changed my favorite in-bus announcment : "Halls of Residences". >>> >>> All in all, this shows that multiple names need to be supported, for >>> all sorts of reasons. We're not yet at a point where we can collect >>> and support local names on a large scale: but, it would be >>> interesting to do so, and bus stops represent a decent sub-set of >>> localities. Perhaps we should ask the EPNS! >>> >>> >> I fully support using OSM as a repository for multiple names which are >> used by locals for the stop, but not for OSM mappers to be imposing >> their decision about the name on the general public. Surely that is >> not correct unless there is very well formed local opinion on the >> subject and even so that information needs to get back the NaPTAN >> sometime. >> >> For instance... I used to live near 'Mitcham's Corner' in Cambridge. >> Mitchams (the department store) closed in the 1960s but the name has >> stuck. I have just checked and there is not a locality of Mitcham's >> corner in the NaPTAN gazetteer and the stops in the area are not >> called 'mitcham's corner' even though that is what I always told the >> driver was my destination. Interestingly the stops in question are >> named after a junior school which was demolished and moved 3 years >> ago! There is clearly some information that needs to get back to >> Traveline. >> >> There are stops in my current town that are badly named and stop areas >> that are badly formed. I want more indicator letters to be used to >> make the naming easier. >> >> There is certainly a valid debate to be had about stop names, but I >> think the above concerns are still valid. >> >> A very interesting debate. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Ed Loach<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *To:* Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 September, 2009 15:02:17 >>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-transit] One last question (for now) >>> >>> I asked: >>> >>> >>>> Is it worth questioning the stop names? The ones named "B&Q" in >>>> Clacton for example are outside their old site (now "The >>>> Range"), as B&Q moved to new premises about 5 years ago. I've >>>> not yet been to the B&Q stops to see if they have the name on >>>> (some stops around here do, some don't - and these are two I've >>>> not yet checked). >>>> >>> I drove past them yesterday, I think. Neither seem to have any post >>> (let alone a named post), although one has a "BUS STOP" labelled >>> pull in. So names in this case aren't particularly relevant. When I >>> do a proper verify of them I'll remove the OSM name field if it >>> exists but there is no name there. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-transit mailing list >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-transit mailing list >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-transit mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-transit mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-transit mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > > _______________________________________________ Talk-transit mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
