Sean, I forgot to introduce myself in previous post, I'm the owner of goEuropa and actually very much involved in otp project. We have deployed it (together with our award-winning Flex frontend) for two big cities in Poland - Poznan and Lublin.
I am also aware of Go-Sync - it turns out, there's an offset between osm and google maps data for city of Poznan - sometimes up to several meters - suprisingly the google sattelite view is in sync with osm data (but not google streets data which is strange). We might find Go-Sync useful if we need to have 100% correctness between our current stops (stored in gtfs, but aligned to google maps). My engineer works on a tool to edit GTFS and is currently extending it to cater for shapes creation - Im in touch with Kevin Webb @ Openplans to see if we can work together on it. Will let you guys here know how we get on, and if this could improve osm data itself ! Wojciech On 5 November 2011 13:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: routing on osm using public transport ? (Barbeau, Sean) > 2. Re: routing on osm using public transport ? (Janko Miheli?) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:06:48 -0400 > From: "Barbeau, Sean" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] routing on osm using public transport ? > Message-ID: > <5e720878f33d3244932503066fc93bf062aff7e...@usfmail2.forest.usf.edu > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Qlex, > For 1), I'd suggest you check out OpenTripPlanner, which has a multimodal > routing engine that includes transit: > http://www.opentripplanner.org > > OTP requires GTFS data for transit, so this would be needed to create > routes for public transportation. It has a RESTful API that you can query > once you get an instance running: > http://www.opentripplanner.org/apidoc/ > > You might also want to check out GO-Sync ( > http://code.google.com/p/gtfs-osm-sync/), which is an open-source desktop > app our group developed to help synchronize GTFS data with OSM. This tool > is currently mainly for bus stops, though, and not the relations for routes > on OSM streets. We've stayed away from trying to automatically sync route > relations on roads since as you say this is complex and requires > significant manual inspection to ensure the data is coded correctly. > Relations for bus stops and their memberships in routes, though, is > handled in GO-Sync. > > GO-Sync is an open-source project so feel free to use the code if you'd > like as a starting point for adding route relations with roads, if this is > something you'd like to tackle. > > Sean > > Sean J. Barbeau, M.S. Comp.Sci. > Research Associate > Center for Urban Transportation Research > University of South Florida > 4202 E. Fowler Avenue, CUT100 | Tampa, FL 33620-5375 > 813.974.7208 2D barcode | 813.974.5168 (fax) | [email protected] > > USF Location-Aware Information Systems Lab - > http://www.locationaware.usf.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Talk-transit Digest, Vol 34, Issue 1 > > Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. routing on osm using public transport ? (Wojciech Kulesza) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:07:05 +0100 > From: Wojciech Kulesza <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Talk-transit] routing on osm using public transport ? > Message-ID: > <CAB9LHzEPjAXKMWSqYhtXpWvS+s0nBJw3h8Gyx6xqGnM=oos...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > we're aiming at creating shapes of various bus routes. For this purpose, > we use various osm routing engines (including cloudmade) to draw the paths > that buses use. > Due to limitation that such routing is using car for calculations, we're > finding it hard to overcome a difficulty of how to route in places that are > for public transport only, as bus stations etc. > Good example is this station: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.409641&lon=16.955182&zoom=18&layers=M > > I tried to add a key psv=yes or perhaps should we use access=designated > cloudmade only updates their data once a week so it is of crucial > importance to find out what's the best approach. > > Several questions that i find important: > 1) is there a router with API that would allow public transport as mode of > transport ? > 2) how should places like bus station be tagged in order to allow car as > mode of transport i noticed that once station has access=no bus=yes and > then routing request provides an answer with routing starting from nearest > available "normal" > street. other settings provide no result. > > Do you have any suggestions on what's the best approach ? > Manual creation of route relations has disadvantages, due to frequent > changes that result from construction and other changes. therefore, we > would be then able to create a possibly-open source software to allow > better and quicker updates of route relations (coming from stops location > and automatic creation of shapes from osm routing). > > Any comments most welcome. Maybe we could discuss this on osm irc channel > as well. > > Regards, > Qlex > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20111103/40214d91/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-transit mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > > > End of Talk-transit Digest, Vol 34, Issue 1 > ******************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:05:02 +0100 > From: Janko Miheli? <[email protected]> > To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] routing on osm using public transport ? > Message-ID: > <CAA=vps85s8hqazcp1wgwkxxdrpt95do3ksyp2xcotmadxva...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If you need just the route shapes, I suggest using openrouteservice.organd > choosing "bicycle". It can go anywhere. You can take "on foot" but it will > go on footpaths and you will need more "via" points. > > Here is an example of a > route< > http://openrouteservice.org/index.php?start=16.9560725,52.4096701&end=16.9549348,52.4103792&via=16.9545036,52.4093393%20&pref=Bicycle&lang=de&noMotorways=false&noTollways=false > > > . > > Janko > > 2011/11/4 Barbeau, Sean <[email protected]> > > > Qlex, > > For 1), I'd suggest you check out OpenTripPlanner, which has a multimodal > > routing engine that includes transit: > > http://www.opentripplanner.org > > > > OTP requires GTFS data for transit, so this would be needed to create > > routes for public transportation. It has a RESTful API that you can > query > > once you get an instance running: > > http://www.opentripplanner.org/apidoc/ > > > > You might also want to check out GO-Sync ( > > http://code.google.com/p/gtfs-osm-sync/), which is an open-source > desktop > > app our group developed to help synchronize GTFS data with OSM. This > tool > > is currently mainly for bus stops, though, and not the relations for > routes > > on OSM streets. We've stayed away from trying to automatically sync > route > > relations on roads since as you say this is complex and requires > > significant manual inspection to ensure the data is coded correctly. > > Relations for bus stops and their memberships in routes, though, is > > handled in GO-Sync. > > > > GO-Sync is an open-source project so feel free to use the code if you'd > > like as a starting point for adding route relations with roads, if this > is > > something you'd like to tackle. > > > > Sean > > > > Sean J. Barbeau, M.S. Comp.Sci. > > Research Associate > > Center for Urban Transportation Research > > University of South Florida > > 4202 E. Fowler Avenue, CUT100 | Tampa, FL 33620-5375 > > 813.974.7208 2D barcode | 813.974.5168 (fax) | [email protected] > > > > USF Location-Aware Information Systems Lab - > > http://www.locationaware.usf.edu/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:01 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Talk-transit Digest, Vol 34, Issue 1 > > > > Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. routing on osm using public transport ? (Wojciech Kulesza) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:07:05 +0100 > > From: Wojciech Kulesza <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Talk-transit] routing on osm using public transport ? > > Message-ID: > > <CAB9LHzEPjAXKMWSqYhtXpWvS+s0nBJw3h8Gyx6xqGnM= > [email protected] > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi, > > we're aiming at creating shapes of various bus routes. For this purpose, > > we use various osm routing engines (including cloudmade) to draw the > paths > > that buses use. > > Due to limitation that such routing is using car for calculations, we're > > finding it hard to overcome a difficulty of how to route in places that > are > > for public transport only, as bus stations etc. > > Good example is this station: > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.409641&lon=16.955182&zoom=18&layers=M > > > > I tried to add a key psv=yes or perhaps should we use access=designated > > cloudmade only updates their data once a week so it is of crucial > > importance to find out what's the best approach. > > > > Several questions that i find important: > > 1) is there a router with API that would allow public transport as mode > of > > transport ? > > 2) how should places like bus station be tagged in order to allow car as > > mode of transport i noticed that once station has access=no bus=yes and > > then routing request provides an answer with routing starting from > nearest > > available "normal" > > street. other settings provide no result. > > > > Do you have any suggestions on what's the best approach ? > > Manual creation of route relations has disadvantages, due to frequent > > changes that result from construction and other changes. therefore, we > > would be then able to create a possibly-open source software to allow > > better and quicker updates of route relations (coming from stops location > > and automatic creation of shapes from osm routing). > > > > Any comments most welcome. 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