On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Jo <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > How do passengers know where to go and stand if there are no physical > markers? I think a bus stop should be able to be defined by the fact the > driver knows where to halt and the passengers know where to wait. >
In our case, this is published in the schedules and (occasionally) on the billboards on the outside of the bus. You can flag a bus about a bus length after any intersection with no marked bus stop within a one-block radius. > Isn't that 'convention' also some sort of ground truth? I"m sure this case > happens in many countries around the world, although in some of those > countries it may be the case a bus can be flagged at any point on its > itinerary. > Does word-of-mouth essentially count as ground truth? I'd like to know if there's some accepted key=value for this situation that can be used with highway=bus_stop, if one exists. > Of course, as soon as roads become busier, that's not possible/practical > anymore. > Despite the fact that Tulsa ended up largely flat enough to put major thoroughfares along the lines of survey for range and township, the side streets within those sections often wind around and dead end uselessly for no reason, even where there's no creek or other obstruction. This makes many of the section line thoroughfares rather congested, particularly during key times (the Advent shopping season, rush hour in general but especially on a Friday evening, etc), but in our case, this meme applies <http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/965/174740_127063750695194_3264526_n.jpg>. Tulsans drive obnoxiously close to each other but you can tell who is from out of town (we have too many different license plates for that to be a reliable indicator) based on who follows close to a bus. > I've been working a few years adding almost 70000 stops for a small > country. That was a lot of work, of course. But now I notice that adding > and maintaining the routes is even more work, hence the creation of the > script to automate the process where possible. > > One of the problems I faced is that when I needed to fix a route, I had to > apply the same fix to all the variations of that route, over and over > again. Now I do it once, creating a 'golden route', then letting the > script take care of the others. It's still some work, as I need to check > manually if the code got it right, route by route. > Still, I'm laying the initial groundwork to get to the point where we have a "golden route" for each route (or in the 101 Suburban Acres case, actually eight routes). > Concerning the roles, I guess they may help JOSM and iD when people split > ways, although I think JOSM gets that right without them already. A bigger > problem is people joining ways, which results in stumps that are not > connected to the next way anymore. And of course, deleting ways, > potentially replacing them by new ones. > I've been noticing a trend towards shorter ways, to the point where people are a little worried about merging ways now. This is generally a Good Thing, since joining ways generally breaks a lot more than relations (lane tagging comes immediately to mind, and because of the tag conflict, this often sets off warning bells).
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