On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Daniel Sabo <[email protected]> wrote:
> I would oppose deleting them. They do have real world significance because 
> they represent community boundaries in unincorporated areas,
No they don't, except coincidentally. For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Butler,_Orange_County,_Florida is a
name apparently made up by the Census Bureau. In many other cases the
names are real but the boundaries are bogus, often expanded to fill
the space between incorporated communities.

> and the name that you would use to search for an address these communities.
Maybe, maybe not. Often the USPS uses a nearby incorporated place, and
the CDP name would not be valid. Sometimes the actual incorporated
community that has jurisdiction over a place is not accepted by the
USPS.

> McKinleyville, CA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinleyville,_California) is 
> as much a defined community as Arcata or Eureka to the south of it even if it 
> only exists on the map as a CDP.
It's definitely a defined community, but are the boundaries really
well-defined? What makes the south side of Baird Road part of it but
the north side not?

> Place nodes are worse than useless
Perhaps you mean "useless for searching", since if something is worse
than useless it should be deleted.

> as demonstrated by the associations Nominatim generates from them. (e.g. it 
> thinks my home street is part of a trailer park several miles away).
That's partly Nominatim's fault and partly our fault (presumably the
trailer park is tagged with a misleading place=* value). A better
algorithm might be (if it's not inside a polygon) to give distances to
nearby place nodes, rather than choosing the closest.

> If you think the boundaries are wrong move them (or even better ask people on 
> the ground what the name of the place they live is, which is probably how the 
> census ended up with them in the first place).
I have been replacing the CDP polygons in central Florida for a while
with better-defined neighborhood polygons roughly based on platted
subdivisions and zoning. The CDP boundaries were not useful for any of
these, even as starting points.

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