Just to put a picture to the words, for those not necessarily familiar with what we're talking about re: the Los Angeles re-map, here's a pic from OSM Inspector of most of Los Angeles, Orange, and western San Bernardino counties as of 2012-06-14 20:10 UTC: http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/LI.LA.20120614T2010Z.jpg

Here's the link to the area in OSMI:
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-118.12315&lat=33.97277&zoom=10&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

The clean parts on the right are San Bernardino County. The clean parts at the upper left are West LA and some of the San Fernando Valley. At the lower left, parts of the south bay and south LA are clean.

The dense red parts are eastern San Fernando Valley, much of the San Gabriel Valley, mid-south Orange County.

Despite the work of hundreds of mappers over the last few years, and the tireless work of several dedicated re-mappers, the map will look very different in much of this 4,250 square mile (11,000 sq km) area - among the top 20 economies of the world - if the redaction bot is run here.

Much of the unclean data is because of a single declining user - "blars", who does _not_ actually disagree with the ODBL license. His only problem was the open-ended clause in the CT that allows a future change in license without approval of the individual contributors (only a super-majority I think). I'm not sure I blame him, in theory, for not agreeing to something unseen, being solely at the mercy of the masses - the same ones that approved this change to begin with.

The problem is not limited to LA, either. Other areas that light up at zoom 4 include much of Japan (especially the area around Tokyo and the south), Australia (Sydney, Adelaide, Perth), Dominican Republic, most of Poland and Kosovo, Moscow and St. Petersburg (Russia), parts of eastern and northern Germany, Thessaloniki and other areas of Greece, even London. Some other areas of the US are the SF Bay area in CA, Salt Lake City, Austin (TX), Columbia (SC),

I'd like a clear answer from the "powers that be" about why they feel it is OK to move forward, given all the damage that will be done.

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Alan Mintz <[email protected]>


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