If that really is the case and he's not welcome to participate in the list, then I agree, it's time for him to find another hobby. Seconded.
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Russ Nelson <[email protected]> wrote: > He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect > him to discuss this issue here. > > We had a discussion of whether to ban him from editing in the past, > which never really got resolved. It just died out. Yes, he's done a > lot of editing, and yes, some of his edits have been fruitful, but no, > some of his edits have been less than helpful. I wouldn't miss him if > he were gone. > > I vote, not that anybody called for a vote, to ask him to leave. > -russ > > Paul Johnson writes: > > A minor update, since NE2 refuses to handle this as a community: > > > > Me: I'm no longer accepting input on this outside of the mailing list. > If > > you want to have any further opinion on this, post to the thread in > > talk-us. > > NE2: You know I can't do that. By refusing to discuss you forfeit. > > Me: I'm not going to have this discussion with you someplace you can > > unilaterally > > declare victory independently in a vaccuum, that isn't how OpenStreetMap > > works. You need to follow the thread and sort out your differences with > the > > moderators. > > > > Again, since the consensus is this restriction is a valid one despite > what > > NE2 is suggesting, I intend to revert the deletion. Not sure who our > > dispute management authorities are these days (since I'm not sure it's > DWG > > or not), but I'd like to know how to keep them in the loop on this. > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > I looked a bit more and in many jurisdiction it's illegal anyway to go > > > around a traffic jam by exiting a freeway and go back direct on the > next > > > onramp. Even more reason to have a restriction. Tested Google maps > and it > > > will make a big detour to avoid this illegal straight on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando area other than > NE2 > > >> could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me chasing a Mapdust > bug > > >> out to his area). > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll < > [email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Paul Johnson <[email protected] > >wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a > > >>>> ruling on this relation before I revert: > > >>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 > > >>>> > > >>>> Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in > > >>>> Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only > markings on > > >>>> the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a > straight-on > > >>>> movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the > excuse > > >>>> that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot > recall > > >>>> having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not > seen any > > >>>> such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the > left > > >>>> turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned > the legal > > >>>> standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact > that > > >>>> section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires > ONLY to be > > >>>> omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a > straight/left arrow > > >>>> would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). > > >>>> > > >>>> Who's right? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> You. it's clearly signed on the pavement. We are no lawyers to > challenge > > >>> his interpretation in court. So as long as no one gets a ticket and > wins > > >>> the court case it's the right thing to have a restriction. > > >>> And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across > tons of > > >>> crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even > consider > > >>> to contact him. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Talk-us mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > <div dir="ltr"><div style><span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">A minor update, > since NE2 refuses to handle this as a community:</span></div><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><div> > > <span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><br></span></div>Me: > I'm no longer accepting input on this outside of the mailing list. If > you want to have any further opinion on this, post to the thread in > talk-us. </span><div> > > <span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">NE2: You know I > can't do that. By refusing to discuss you forfeit.</span></div><div > style><font face="Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif"><span > style="font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Me: </span></font><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">I'm not > going to have this discussion with you someplace you can</span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"> </span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">unilaterally > declare victory independently in a vaccuum, that isn't how</span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"> </span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">OpenStreetMap > works. You need to follow the thread and sort out your</span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"> </span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">differences > with the moderators.</span></div> > > <div style><span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><br></span></div><div > style><span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Again, since > the consensus is this restriction is a valid one despite what NE2 is > suggesting, I intend to revert the deletion. Not sure who our dispute > management authorities are these days (since I'm not sure it's DWG > or not), but I'd like to know how to keep them in the loop on > this.</span></div> > > </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, > Feb 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <span dir="ltr"><<a > href="mailto:[email protected]"; > target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> > wrote:<br> > > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 > .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I looked a bit more and > in many jurisdiction it's illegal anyway to go around a traffic jam by > exiting a freeway and go back direct on the next onramp. Even more reason > to have a restriction. Tested Google maps and it will make a big detour to > avoid this illegal straight on.<div class="HOEnZb"> > > <div class="h5"><br> > > <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM, > Paul Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; > target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote > class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc > solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > > <div dir="ltr">Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando > area other than NE2 could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me > chasing a Mapdust bug out to his area).</div><div><div><div > class="gmail_extra"> > > <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"> > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <span > dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank"> > [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote > class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc > solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > > > > <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 > PM, Paul Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; > target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote > class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc > solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > > > > > > <div dir="ltr">NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" > bender again, need a ruling on this relation before I revert: <a href=" > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811"; target="_blank"> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811</a><div> > > > > > > > > > > <br></div><div>Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena > Vista Drive in Orlando, <a href="http://binged.it/128OlwZ"; > target="_blank">http://binged.it/128OlwZ</a>. Despite left turn only > markings on the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a > straight-on movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on > the excuse that "<span > style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Anyway, I've > deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall having seen any signs > prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any such signs because you > have not been there.</span>" Never mind that the left turn only sign > is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal standing of the > marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that section > 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be omitted > in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow would be > required for a through-or-left-turn lane).</div> > > > > > > > > > > <div><br></div><div>Who's right?</div></div> > > <br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>You. it's clearly signed on > the pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge his interpretation in court. > So as long as no one gets a ticket and wins the court case it's the > right thing to have a restriction.<br> > > > > > > > > And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of > crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even > consider to contact him.<br> </div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" > style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________<br> > > Talk-us mailing list<br> > > <a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank"> > [email protected]</a><br> > > <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us"; > target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><br> > > <br></blockquote></div></div><br> > > </blockquote></div><br></div> > > </div></div></blockquote></div><br> > > </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-us mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >
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