Okay folks. Coming back from not even 48 hours camping and this thread has exploded. I don't think it benefits anyone to continue in this way. Valuable insights get lost in the sheer volume of email; arguments are being repeated.
I am dedicating the next Many Mappy Minutes (our monthly-ish online hangout) to discuss road classification. I proposed November 15 5:30 PT in an earlier email to this group. I invite you all to join then. In the mean time, if you would like to have a more interactive discussion, please join IRC or Slack and continue the discussion there. Martijn On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Nathan Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > In the US, we've always treated primary/secondary/tertiary as a way to tag > importance to the road network, while physical construction was secondary. > Motorway, of course, was and still is treated differently. Trunk has always > been stuck in the middle between people who like me and Paul want to use it > more like motorway but for divided highways and people who want it to mean > more primary than primary. > > That's why we're still taking about it now, long after the usage of other > highway tag values has long been settled. The closest thing to a decision > that was ever made was NE2's unilateral mass edit, some of which has been > reverted, some of which hasn't. Without consensus that the tagging is wrong > and not just the unilateral decision, I'm not going to go out of my way to > revert his trunk changes on ways I'm not otherwise editing large portions > of. It's not a nice thing to do. It's got nothing to do with thinking that > things should be that way and everything to do with not being a jackass who > unilaterally imposes their will on the whole community. > > -Nathan > > On October 15, 2017 1:40:16 AM EDT, Bradley White < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> If we can determine importance (which is what the 'highway=' tag >> fundamentally represents per the wiki) solely by what's on the ground, >> why not just tag what's physically there, ditch the 'highway' tag >> altogether, and let the renders handle it with their own algorithms? >> >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The US is pretty well known for overbuilding highways. Are we trying to >>>> document how things are on the ground or how things are actually >>>> connected? If we're going for the former, then yeah, only Bend Parkway >>>> and >>>> a brief streak through Klamath Falls is a trunk part of US 97. If we're >>>> going for the latter, then go ahead with NE2's idea and smash almost >>>> everything into trunk. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Keep hitting send too soon. Personally, I find what's on the ground to be >>> more useful than the connections. Game theory and any routing engine can >>> figure out the connections. But knowing what's a stupid rural road with an >>> overly generous speed limit and what's almost but not quite a freeway is >>> more useful. If I'm driving a big rig going from southwestern Canada or >>> Alaska to somewhere in Nevada, I don't give two shakes what some toolbag >>> things is the most prominent road. I care more about what *actually is a >>> big road*. Calling a two leg segment of US 97 30km outside of East >>> Butthump, Oregon a trunk is a great disservice when it's basically on par >>> with County Road Number Who Even Cares tracing off to Outer >>> Smalltownsville, other than the fact that it goes through. Calling it a >>> trunk when it's not is going to set an unreasonably high expectation for >>> what is otherwise an overtravelled, glorified two digit National Forest >>> route through the east Cascades frontier. Primary is definitely ample for >>> that road, even if you're going a more obscure minor haul route like Salem >>> to Reno. >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Talk-us mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > >
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