29 Apr 2019, 17:36 by [email protected]: > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:24 AM Mateusz Konieczny > <> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> Why not simply call anything which is a 'large public area for recreation', >> a park, and specify it additionally with additional tags? >> >> That would require redefining leisure=park and while would match use of word >> "park" in USA >> it would start mismatching use of work "park" in UK. It would also start to >> mismatch how >> leisure=park is used in Europe. >> >> Generally British English is preferred in OSM and redefining popular tags is >> deeply problematic. >> > > Are we talking about the use of the *tag*, or the use of the *word* in > British English? > It is supposed to be about both, I attempted to check both but I open to discovering that I am mistaken. In case of British English I attempted to consult with people who are native speakers of BE and people better in English than myself but maybe my questions/examples failed to capture cases of what should be described park (and or leisure=park). I know that it is possible, that is part of the reason why I posted quoted message (it would be embarassing to discover that my claims were wrong but I prefer to discover as soon as possible). > If we're talking about the use of the word 'park' in common speech, > the British Isles have ample examples of 'park' being used in a sense > much like the US one: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/359617831 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/359617831> > happened to be the first one I noticed, but > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/421685070 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/421685070>> and others are also > present. If these aren't 'parks' in UK English, why do they exist in > the UK with 'park' in their names? > Neither of them is tagged leisure=park and it seems that "national park" is in some way similar to "business park" or "industrial park" - word park is in the name but it is not considered as a special case of "green human-sculpted landscape" that is commonly referred to as a "park". Note that I may be mistaken here, my check was quick sanity check of a biased group of people not some scientific research > I also notice that Great Britain has similar situations to the US > national parks, where other land uses are embedded. I see that > Cairngorms National Park > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1947603 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1947603>> embeds at least four > villages (Avlemore, Ballater, Grantown-on-Spey and Kingussie). > This one is not surprising to me, it is probably result of compromise/conflict resulting in potected area with some objects that are contrary to any nature protection attempts. Poland has cases of legal large-scale active logging in Tatra mountains that is result of conflict between local people and desire to protect nature. See https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wsp%C3%B3lnota_Le%C5%9Bna_Uprawnionych_O%C5%9Bmiu_Wsi <https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wsp%C3%B3lnota_Le%C5%9Bna_Uprawnionych_O%C5%9Bmiu_Wsi> - conflict dates back to creation of the Tatrzański Park Narodowy (=Tatra National Park). See also motorways going sometimes through protected or "protected" areas.
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