I can understand reasoning behind Foo County, and Foo for county names. For instance, counties around here share names with major cities in that county. For instance, Saint Louis city/Saint Louis county and Saint Charles city/Saint Charles county. We almost always say county afterwards. Occasionally, we will say city after if we think it needs to be said. Saying just Saint Louis, usually people just think of the region around Saint Louis city. If you want to specifically mention the city itself, you say so. But we still tag cities without the city attached (no "Town of Foo"/"City of Foo"/"Foo Village"/"Foo City"). My opinion is, put the most common form in name, then use short_name or official_name as needed. County/City/State itself can usually be found from border_type/place tags, so it shouldn't be needed in name. Aaron Forsythe > stevea <[email protected]> writes: > > Like some things in computer science / database searching / > software-based cartography, this feels like yet another "do our > best to document, code, data-enter and find what works / doesn't > work, then lather-rinse-repeat." As long as we document (in wiki, > in the map, in practice) that we have/use name, alt_name, > official_name, loc_name (and all the rest), we "do our best" to > capture these semantics. The iterative process of how all of that > works with renderers/routers/searchers that pay attention to all > of it is, it seems by necessity, a slow-moving and a > back-and-forth-many-times effort. > > Dialog like this is an important part of that. We are, after all, > inventing and developing-on-the-fly a crowd-sourced planetary-wide > map, and there are millions (billions, really) of us involved. > After a decade or two (or three, or four...), it gets better, but > I'm content to look ahead to OSM's second, third, fourth and fifth > decades as "better gets YET BETTER." Sharpen focus, sharpen > focus, sharpen focus. > > SteveA > >> On Dec 26, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Greg Troxel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> stevea <[email protected]> writes: >> >>> Also, I find that "alt_name" works well for abbreviated county >>> names, as in California in certain contexts, the name of a >>> county without the word "county" appended unambiguously >>> communicates a geography to someone. (As in "From this part of >>> Amador (county), you'll have to skirt the edge of El Dorado to >>> get to Alpine"). Greg (M.) seems to indicate this happens in >>> (Pima) Arizona, as well. >> >> I can see that this is useful, but I see that as "how should a >> renderer/router/searcher use the database", vs "we should add >> alt_foo tags for anything that someone might search on". |
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