Sorry I saw your email in the ORM list and responded directly. I find line segment numbers on track charts and timetables. I mostly work with lines that have left BNSF or its predecessors so I have line segments that were assigned by those railroads. Here is a great list of line segments of the BNSF/BN/GN/NP Etc. . http://www.nprha.org/NP%20Track%20Segments%20of%20BNSF/BNSF%20Track%20Segments%20Version%2010.pdf
I'm on line segments, 403, 405, 408, and 411. And I don't trust the FRA database to be accurate. Nathan P email: [email protected] On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 8:45 PM Chuck Sanders <[email protected]> wrote: > I'd love any information you can send regarding any sort of route number > in use here like you're discussing. I've worked around the US rail industry > for several decades (federal bridge engineer), and have never heard of such > a thing, so I'm very curious. > > You're not talking about the FRAARCID in the FRA dataset, right? > > And I have to say, while "don't tag for the renderer" is almost always > right, it also doesn't mean that a tag that works well already is > automatically wrong, provided it also doesn't damage the validity of > integrity of your dataset, and is consistent with the data scheme. > > Thanks! > Chuck > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 10:38 PM Natfoot <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chuck, >> >> Thank You for your time fixing the reporting marks section. >> >> Railroad Line numbers do exist for railroads in the United States and >> Canada. >> Ref= is for the use of line numbers. I can send you links to line >> numbers. Line numbers were given to a line by the railroad when it was >> laid and often lasts it's entire lifetime, without a change. The other way >> I see it used is to identify what track number it is: Eg Main 1, or you are >> in a yard and there is track 1, 2, 3, etc. Both of these are examples of >> track numbers. >> >> I will discourage the changing of in use tags for the soul purpose of >> editing for the renderer. This is a renderer problem and not a problem >> with OSM. Here is the wiki about not editing for the renderer >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer >> >> There is a OpenRailwayMap email list. I was just there chatting about >> how Traffic Control is different from Train Protection. I will agree that >> ORM under represents the data from North America that is already within the >> map. Please make these suggestions in the ORM list to make the ORM >> renderer more usable as you have described. >> >> Quote from your email: >> " The label is occasionally the spelled out operator name, but most >> commonly (better than 90% of examples) the operator reporting marks, which >> serve as a standardized shorthand. Even the names, as we tag them in the >> name field, are rarely used to refer to the lines, and are essentially >> never used on mapping here.They're the absolute last-choice designator, and >> you *really* have to hunt to find any rail map in the US (including by the >> operators) that labels any line by name." " That's the US industry >> standard." >> >> All of this paragraph are style choices when rendering the data from >> within OSM. If you would like this to change, talk to the ORM list or make >> a better renderer. I will reject your assertion that we should dumb down >> the map just becuase that is the way TOPO had it. If you are a railroad >> owner and you are worried about the amount of information on OSM that is a >> valid argument but that is not the way you are presenting this as of now. >> >> Thanks for your thoughts on all of this. I agree that OpenStreetMap, Open >> Railway Map, and the renderer could be improved to better show off what we >> have here in North America. Researchers utilize OSM as we have the most up >> to date railway map in the country of any data source and it is >> important to maintain standards. I believe that the wiki pertaining to >> railway=* is confusing and the addition of continent specific tagging makes >> it more difficult to understand. If you would like to help me with >> cataloging this information this is one of the side projects. But right now >> I am over on Open Historical Map adding railroads over there. >> >> Best Regards, >> >>> Nathan P >>> email: [email protected] >>> >> >>
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