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1. Re: Gautrain Bus Mapping (Gerhardus Geldenhuis)
2. Re: Gautrain Bus Mapping (Kieron Thwaites)
3. Re: Gautrain Bus Mapping (Gerhardus Geldenhuis)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:33:39 +0000
From: Gerhardus Geldenhuis <[email protected]>
To: General discussion for South African users
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
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Hi
S1 and S2 routes conform to the new public transport schema and is also
backwards compatible with older mapping website in terms of tags used.
Regards
On 7 November 2013 12:39, Dawid Loubser <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks to those of you who have added bus routes! (it's quite
time-consuming to say the least - especially adding the stops correctly)
Route S3 (Rivonia) also shows the stops and (what I hope to be) correct
tagging:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.0561/28.0651&layers=T
Interestingly, I have tried to adhere to the "new public transport
schema"
of 2011 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport), where the
stop position is indicated on the route (which is semantially correct),
as
opposed to just relying on tags on the bus stop amenity (node) itself.
However, the "transport map" does not seem to render these correctly, so
in
addition to the cleaner new tagging scheme, I've adhered to the more
traditional way of marking bus stops. Once it is supported though, the
different stops (and their numbers etc) should be correctly represented.
Finally, if you've added a Gautrain bus map route, please add it to the
"Gautrain bus" route master, which "ties together" all the bus routes.
Again, see S3 Rivonia as an example... (none of the other routes have
been
added at this stage).
Finally, grant, the real-time bus map is awesome! Any further discussions
with Gautrain in terms of obtaining an 'official' data feed?
--
Dawid Loubser <[email protected]>
Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 12:18 +0000 skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis:
Thanks Grant,
Route J1 and J2 should be good examples for all of the tags needed if
you
want to have the stops and routes display on all the maps.
Regards
On 7 November 2013 11:03, Grant Slater <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Talk-ZA,
A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng & likely
others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus
I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom
in):
http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/
It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator="Gautrain Bus"
Please help map the remaining bus stops :)
Or check to see if the bus routes are correct.
The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at
the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be
"optimised".
Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it
hasn't yet updated with all the routes.
Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training
or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm.
Kind regards
Grant
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:12:34 +0200
From: Kieron Thwaites <[email protected]>
To: General discussion for South African users
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Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
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Thanks for the work done!
I'm about to kick off redoing the MyCiTi routes in the Table View area
(the
T01 has been extended, and will be extended further next year, and the
F14/F15/F16 no longer exist and have been replaced with the
213/214/215/216/217 routes), so using your S3 mapping as a template will
help me out quite a bit. (:
--K
On 7 November 2013 14:39, Dawid Loubser <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks to those of you who have added bus routes! (it's quite
time-consuming to say the least - especially adding the stops correctly)
Route S3 (Rivonia) also shows the stops and (what I hope to be) correct
tagging:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.0561/28.0651&layers=T
Interestingly, I have tried to adhere to the "new public transport
schema"
of 2011 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport), where the
stop position is indicated on the route (which is semantially correct),
as
opposed to just relying on tags on the bus stop amenity (node) itself.
However, the "transport map" does not seem to render these correctly, so
in
addition to the cleaner new tagging scheme, I've adhered to the more
traditional way of marking bus stops. Once it is supported though, the
different stops (and their numbers etc) should be correctly represented.
Finally, if you've added a Gautrain bus map route, please add it to the
"Gautrain bus" route master, which "ties together" all the bus routes.
Again, see S3 Rivonia as an example... (none of the other routes have
been
added at this stage).
Finally, grant, the real-time bus map is awesome! Any further discussions
with Gautrain in terms of obtaining an 'official' data feed?
--
Dawid Loubser <[email protected]>
Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 12:18 +0000 skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis:
Thanks Grant,
Route J1 and J2 should be good examples for all of the tags needed if
you
want to have the stops and routes display on all the maps.
Regards
On 7 November 2013 11:03, Grant Slater <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Talk-ZA,
A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng & likely
others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus
I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom
in):
http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/
It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator="Gautrain Bus"
Please help map the remaining bus stops :)
Or check to see if the bus routes are correct.
The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at
the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be
"optimised".
Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it
hasn't yet updated with all the routes.
Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training
or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm.
Kind regards
Grant
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:53:48 +0000
From: Gerhardus Geldenhuis <[email protected]>
To: General discussion for South African users
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
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Hi Kieron,
I would recommend firstly using the OSM documentation and then existing
bus
routes as a template. J1 and J2 renders correctly but that is because of
additional tags. We should map according to the wiki and accepted
standards
not to get it to render correctly.
Dawid, the intended usage of the routemaster tag in a relation is to tie
together routes that typically follow the same roads but might go into
opposite directions or as in London where we have a 381 bus and N381 bus
which is the night bus and follows an abbreviated version of the day
route.
A relation that contains all of the Gautrain routes is arguably valid but
I
think stretches the intended usage a little bit. So where do you draw the
line? You could then also have a relation that contained all of the bus
routes in Gauteng or even the whole of South Africa, or a relation for all
N and M highways. Regardless though consistency is going to be more
important.
Regards
On 7 November 2013 14:12, Kieron Thwaites <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks for the work done!
I'm about to kick off redoing the MyCiTi routes in the Table View area
(the T01 has been extended, and will be extended further next year, and
the
F14/F15/F16 no longer exist and have been replaced with the
213/214/215/216/217 routes), so using your S3 mapping as a template will
help me out quite a bit. (:
--K
On 7 November 2013 14:39, Dawid Loubser <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks to those of you who have added bus routes! (it's quite
time-consuming to say the least - especially adding the stops correctly)
Route S3 (Rivonia) also shows the stops and (what I hope to be) correct
tagging:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.0561/28.0651&layers=T
Interestingly, I have tried to adhere to the "new public transport
schema" of 2011
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport),where the stop
position is indicated on the route (which is semantially
correct), as opposed to just relying on tags on the bus stop amenity
(node)
itself. However, the "transport map" does not seem to render these
correctly, so in addition to the cleaner new tagging scheme, I've
adhered
to the more traditional way of marking bus stops. Once it is supported
though, the different stops (and their numbers etc) should be correctly
represented.
Finally, if you've added a Gautrain bus map route, please add it to the
"Gautrain bus" route master, which "ties together" all the bus routes.
Again, see S3 Rivonia as an example... (none of the other routes have
been
added at this stage).
Finally, grant, the real-time bus map is awesome! Any further
discussions
with Gautrain in terms of obtaining an 'official' data feed?
--
Dawid Loubser <[email protected]>
Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 12:18 +0000 skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis:
Thanks Grant,
Route J1 and J2 should be good examples for all of the tags needed if
you want to have the stops and routes display on all the maps.
Regards
On 7 November 2013 11:03, Grant Slater <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Talk-ZA,
A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng & likely
others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus
I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom
in):
http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/
It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator="Gautrain Bus"
Please help map the remaining bus stops :)
Or check to see if the bus routes are correct.
The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at
the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be
"optimised".
Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it
hasn't yet updated with all the routes.
Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training
or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm.
Kind regards
Grant
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