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Some people are idiots. Looky at
this.
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Subject: [MT-discuss] STOP IT RIGHT
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Tim Bunnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jayson
is right on both counts: InvTool only uploads "fresh" material;
and,
setting an utterance to "unrecorded" in the .inv file will cause
InvTool
to offer it for recording again. Each line in the .inv file
pertains to
one utterance. Lines start with a number that indicates the
status of
the utterance and if that number is '0', it means the
utterance has not
been recorded. So, if you are facile with a good text
editor (emacs or
vi), you simply search for the line containing the name
of the file you
want to rerecord (that's the second item in each line)
and set the
number to 0.
t
Jayson Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> When
you open up an inventory in Invtool, it starts with the first
utterance
> it doesn't think you've recorded. The point of this is,
rather then opening
> up the inv file and then hitting
Save/Back/whatever a bunch of times
> searching for one particular
utterance, you can make it think you never
> recorded it, so if you've
in fact done the whole inventory or have recorded
> up to later than
that one utterance, it will start you out right where you
> want to
rerecord. Quite nice, actually.
> Jayson.
>
> -----
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> From: "snowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
To: "Jayson Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tim Bunnell"
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent:
Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [MT-discuss] ;Six
Sucks
>
>
>> Interesting. Why is it that you would
want to remove an utterance,
> instead
>> of simply
re-recording it?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jayson Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
To: "snowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tim Bunnell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Cc:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:59
PM
>> Subject: Re: [MT-discuss] ;Six
Sucks
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Actually,
from what I understand, the system will only upload what
>
hasn't
>>> already been uploaded. So if you rerecord that one
utterance, that's
> all
>>> that will be uploaded. Of
course if you add your own utterances those
>>>
would
>>> be uploaded too.
>>> On the topic of
finding that one particular utterance, there's a way to
>>>
make
>>> Invtool think you never recorded it, but it's a bit
complicated and care
>>> must be taken to avoid changing
anything else. To do this, you need to
>>> edit
>>>
the .inv file by hand, with a program that does not word wrap! I've
>
done
>>> this before. If you want to know how, send me a note
and I'll tell you.
>>> If
>>> others want to know
how to do this, let me know also. This is
> especially
>>>
useful when you give up on recording an utterance and later want to
try
>>> again and see if the meters will accept it this time
around.
>>> Jayson.
>>>
>>> -----
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>>> From: "snowman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Tim Bunnell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Cc:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006
6:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MT-discuss] ;Six
Sucks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ah ha!!! Very
interesting. You don't know you are a defective talker
>>>
until
>>>> you bring the microscope near your lips.
That makes a lot of
>>> sense.
>>>> Of
course, I won't re-submit at this point, even though that's a
pretty
>>>> important word. :-).
>>>> But,
when I do re-submit, I presume I would just open my old invintory
>
in
>>>> INVTool, find and rerecord that phrase, then Upload
the entire thing
>>> again.
>>>> is that correct.
Or, is their any way just to upload the new
phrases?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tim Bunnell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "snowman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Cc:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 01,
2006 8:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MT-discuss] ;Six
Sucks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You
didn't know we editorialize?
:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, it's not
a matter of ModelTalker doing a bad job of
>>>>>
transcribing the word--that would be easy to fix. Looking at
the
>>>>> biphone
>>>>> tracking output
when your voice is supposed to say sucks, I see
this:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 00SS from
par202
>>>>>> SSAH from
par508
>>>>>> AHKK from
par508
>>>>>> KKSS from
par508
>>>>>> SS00 from par336
>>>>>
This shows where ModelTalker found the each of the pairs of phonemes
>
it
>>>>> pulls concatenation data from. The initial
silence and initial part
> of
>>>
/s/
>>>>> (00SS) came from par202.wav. Then then entire
syllable up to the end
> of
>>>>> the final /s/ and
trailing silence came from the utterance par508.
>
That
>>>>> utterance was "Most successful". We expected
(and ModelTalker
>>>>> transcribes/pronounces) the initial
part of the word "successful" to
> be
>>>>> just
like "sucks"; it could be spelled sucksessful as far as
our
>>>>> pronunciation is concerned. Unfortunately, when
I listen to this word
>>>>> as
>>>>>
recorded by Jim, the pronunciation is pretty much like sixsessful.
>
Our
>>>>> pronunciation meter in InvTool is supposed to
detect differences
>>>>> between
>>>>>
our transcription and the talker's pronunciation, but differences
>
like
>>> the
>>>>> difference between "six"
and "sux" are subtle enough acoustically
>
that
>>>>> they often go
undetected.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes a work
around is to substitute an alternative pronunciation
>>>
for
>>>>> the word. For instance, transcribe sucks as
SSAXKKSS instead of
>>>>> SSAHKKSS
>>>>>
(the AH is a more stressed variant of AX). Unfortunately, in
Jim's
>>>>> voice
>>>>> that too sounds
like "six".
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly the
best fix is to add one or two instances of words that
>
have
>>>>> the syllables suck and sucks in them to the
inventory as user defined
>>>>> utterances. At the same
time, we may want to change the way we
>>>
transcribe
>>>>> words like "successful" in this inventory
since that talker
>>>>>
consistently
>>>>> used a more front vowel than our
transcriptions expect.
>>>>>
>>>>> We
haven't the staffing to do a lot of this, but if people
identify
>>>>> specific problems, rerecord utterances or
add new ones, and upload
> the
>>>>> changes, we can
run off new versions of voices. But please, save up
>>>>>
your
>>>>> changes until you have identified the most
serious problems so we can
>>> fix
>>>>> them
all at once.
>>>>>
>>>>>
Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
t
>>>>>
>>>>> snowman
wrote:
>>>>>> Oh no!!! This won't do at all! My voice
mispronounces a very
>>> important
>>>>>>
word. When it means "sucks", it says "six". And, of course, I
have
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> thoughts
about that. but, I don't really have any good way to tell
>
it
>>>>>> what I think, because, when I say what I
really think, it thinks I
>>> mean
>>>>>>
six. And of course I don't. I guess I could always try saying
six,
>>> and
>>>>>> see what it makes of
that. But, I dint think of that until just
> now.
>>>
So
>>>>>> , I'll go try that now. But I don't think it
will help.
>>
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