Agreed, Chris. And I'm not really even a Debian fan, let alone systemd.
Even though I use both. Gordon On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:40 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > On 18 November 2014 00:48, Digimer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 17/11/14 11:55 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > >> > >> From the outside, it looks as if the init system decision has > taken a > >> horrible toll on debian: > >> > <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0MjM> > >> Very sad. > > > > > > I would place more of the blame on the (childish) reaction from Ian > and others. From what I've seen, the resignations all are based on > constant abuse and stress. > > > > How easily people forget that it's a group of volunteers. > > > Right you are... > > > You can't expect volunteers to put up with the abuse that paid staff > are paid > to take. > > > From the comments from the fellow that was working on systemd > packaging, > > Tollef Fog Heen, I think there was a further, rather broader, > poisonous thing > going on, namely that a faction of those strongly against systemd > were > behaving spitefully. > > > This parallels the way a lot of political debate goes, these days; I > gather > > that our municipal Fords were seeing a lot of abusive comments, as, > > doubtless, did Olivia Chow, and, based on the "it's like ISIS coming > to > > Toronto!!!" bit, doubtless John Tory saw some of this. > > > The "GamerGate" thing sounds like it had a dose of the same. > > > I think I'm seeing it just about any time someone picks up a rock > > nearby anything that has the least bit of controversy around it; you > discover that there are dreadful people saying corrosively horrible > > things. > > > > What's awful is that there are groups of people prepared to dump > poisonous vitrol, I would think, in an attempt to convince the > targets to give up and leave. > > > It would be pretty terrible if that led to the Debian project getting > > severely hobbled. It's awful that people that don't like systemd > > (and I don't count myself too much a fan; it definitely concerns > me, technically) aren't trying to do things that are helpful to the > project, but rather pouring acid into the works. > > > I'm potentially an "opponent of systemd in Debian"; I don't want > > the vitrol-pourers that were harassing Tollef Fog Heen to > > be imagined to be part of "my side". I don't want that nonsense > associated with me. > > -- > When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the > question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" > > > --- > GTALUG Talk Mailing List - [email protected] > http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- GTALUG Talk Mailing List - [email protected] http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
