On 13 October 2017 at 13:47, Alvin Starr <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/13/2017 12:33 PM, Giles Orr via talk wrote: > >> I'm having some trouble figuring out the licensing on VMware's ESXi. >> It's proprietary - I've got that and I don't love it. But Packt's "DevOps >> Automation Cookbook" (2015) is essentially saying it's free to use, and >> implying - I don't think they ever stated it outright - that it's >> permanently free. But on VMware's site ( https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMw >> are-vSphere/6.0/com.vmware.vsphere.vcenterhost.doc/GUID-7AFC >> C64B-7D94-48A0-86CF-8E7EF55DF68F.html ) it reads as if it's a 60 day >> evaluation, period. >> >> Which brings up a few questions: >> - is ESXi technically good enough that I should be pursuing this at all? >> (I'm currently using Proxmox. It works, I'm not entirely happy with it, >> but I'll probably stick with it because of the licensing which is more open >> source friendly) >> - is ESXi permanently free? and can you get security updates if you're on >> the free licensing? >> - is there anything appalling in their license? eg. Facebook's recent >> license clauses "using our products means you can't ever sue us for >> anything" (point applies even though they fixed it) >> >> >> I have clients using VMware and Proxmox and VirtualBox and I use > virt-manager and OpenStack for my own use. > > VMware and VirtualBox tend to do better on windows systems and stuff like > USB devices and both are really easy to use to put up one of virtual > machines. > Both also have CLI interfaces that can be used if your desperate. > There are some add on packages for VirtualBox to give it a GUI > > Proxmox is more or less the moral equivalent of virt-manager that can only > manage continers and KVM along with some hooks for HA. > Proxmox has the upside of a web interface where virt-manager is an X based > application. > Virt-manger has the upside of letting you manage a variety of > virtualization engines beyond KVM. > > For small sized personal/experimental use all are acceptable. > Proxmox has the upside that you can use it like an appliance and just > install it fairly trivially. > Virt-manager works nicely if you like managing the OS that your > virtualiztion sits on top of. > > If you have complex networking or storage requirements then something like > OpenStack or the other cloud managers start to make sense but the minimum > size there is 3-5 machines before it begins to make sense. > > I would say stick with Proxmox. > > What is your Proxmox problem? >
Umm - laziness? The more I think about it, the more it seems like a good idea to stick with what I've got. Thanks Digimer and Alvin for making me think about it. -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ [email protected]
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