I am so sorry, I made a stupid assumption. by simply stating "not really" I assumed that people would understand that this means that technically > > This seems to describe a problem where the recipient's mail service > > subscribes to a spam blocklist that is incorrectly blocking GTALUG.
this is NOT the case... It is not GTALUG that is blocked... GTALUG is completely clean and in a clean IP range. mailman includes the relay IP number, in the headers, so the incoming email server checks all "Received: from " against whatever RBL dnsbl, etc. So, if the person/ip/sender, that 'sent' to the GTALUG mailing list, ip no is listed, THEN there are issues in receiving email...(by whatever recipient email server) so, sorry about that :( for the rest, I guess I could also elaborate a lot more if anyone is interested? On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:45:26 +0200 ac via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > > not really. > > the polar other side of your opinion is my opinion :) > > people supporting and paying money to resource whores who also are non > responsive to abuse complaints and whom also may host criminals and > other scumbags deserve to have their email refused :) > > the days of 'bullet proof' hosting are nearing the end as many mail > server admins are simply tired of constantly trying to do battle with > snowshoe and other rubbish. > > of course, again, best practise is not to 'drop' but to score email > incoming from abusive hosts and IP numbers as well as bad places on > the net, and at first mark them as spam, report that spam and then, > eventually, these resources will also end up in a permanent drop > dnsbl :) > > and; > > --Bob, who is experiencing such problems with the lists he manages. > > > does your list require people to opt in? or are people simply added > and then expected to unsubscribe? > > see, sometimes 'people' are not real people, they could be data in > stolen databases, they could be submitted by devious 3rd parties to > cause your list harm, there could be so many issues... > > If you are just adding email addresses to your list :) - then you will > find yourself experiencing issues if something goes wrong and you are > reported somewhere... > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 00:23:50 -0400 > Bob Jonkman via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This seems to describe a problem where the recipient's mail service > > subscribes to a spam blocklist that is incorrectly blocking GTALUG. > > > > This is not GTALUG's problem; the recipients not receiving mail > > should complain to their mail provider to use a better blocklist. > > Or perhaps those recipients should switch to a different mail > > provider that doesn't use that blocklist. Selfhosting springs to > > mind... > > > > Alex shouldn't have to contact every poorly configured blocklist > > when recipient mail providers choose to use those poorly configured > > blocklists. Of course, when the recipients' mail provider doesn't > > give any indication to the recipient that their mail is being > > blocked, it's difficult for the recipient to know they're missing > > mail. And if mail from [email protected] is also blocked, then > > it's impossible for the list owner to let the recipient know their > > mail is bouncing. > > > > --Bob, who is experiencing such problems with the lists he manages. > > > > > > > > On 2018-07-26 02:23 PM, Alex Volkov via talk wrote: > > > Oh, it's not the messages that list receives that get filtered > > > out, it's when mailman sends out list to the recipients, some who > > > have spamhaus and running on an IPv6 port get mailing list > > > messages filtered. > > > > > > We could disable IPv6 on our end, but it just feels wrong to me. > > > > > > Here's the error message I'm getting on my personal email server > > > > > > <[email protected]>: host > > > mail.flamy.ca[2600:3c03:e000:173::1] said: 554 > > > 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host > > > [2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe50:ea0a] blocked using > > > sbl.spamhaus.org;https://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBLCSS > > > (in reply to RCPT TO command) > > > > > > > > > I believe the following hosts have similar settings to mine -- > > > > > > csclub.uwaterloo.ca > > > vex.net > > > > > > I believe there are 7 people including myself, that get routinely > > > affected by the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2018-07-26 03:06 AM, ac via talk wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> There seems to be many people using non blocking RBL for DROP? > > >> > > >> Alex, Instead of using that specific spamhaus DNSBL for DROP you > > >> should rather use it for scoring? > > >> > > >> An example of a DROP RBL is chronic webiron.com and > > >> dnsbl.ascams.com these you can use for DROP? > > >> > > >> Will it not be better to add scoring to sa and then to add > > >> numeric values? > > >> > > >> hth > > >> > > >> Andre > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 12:06:23 -0400 > > >> Alex Volkov via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> We also have a web interface for mailman, so you can check if > > >>> you're messages are showing up there, since the default mailing > > >>> list settings is not to receive your own emails. > > >>> > > >>> https://gtalug.org/pipermail/talk/ > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 2018-07-25 11:53 AM, James Knott via talk wrote: > > >>>> Let me know if you don't receive this message. ;-) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I sent it to both the list and you directly, so you can see if > > >>>> it got through the list. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 07/25/2018 11:49 AM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > > >>>>> I don't think I have received any messages from the list in > > >>>>> about 2 weeks. The only thing I have gotten is a message > > >>>>> saying I have been removed due to bounces (strangely that one > > >>>>> didn't bounce). No idea why that would happen since other > > >>>>> things work fine, including lkml which is notorious for > > >>>>> hating bouncing emails. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Anyone have any idea what could be going on? > > >>>>> > > >>>> --- > > >>>> Talk Mailing List > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > >>> > > >>> --- > > >>> Talk Mailing List > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > >> --- > > >> Talk Mailing List > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Talk Mailing List > > > [email protected] > > > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > --- > Talk Mailing List > [email protected] > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Talk Mailing List [email protected] https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
