On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 11:07 PM Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote:
> folks, > Keeping with the in context process. > > You are correct, context is important. > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote: > > >>> > >>> Again, I say this again. RMS as a contributor, yes. RMS as a leader, > no. > >>> > >>> I am not going to step into your Godwin's law discussion > >>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law ). It is irrelevant to > >>> the issue at hand. > >> > >> > >> That wasn't my discussion. I'm talking about Surveillance capitalism, > which grows > >> more important to me day by day. I just think there is a lot of > shooting the messenger > >> with RMS. > >> > > > > Then this thread should prove to you exactly why RMS cannot be your > > messenger. You could be 100% factual, but it is what the other side > > receives is of greater importance. Your cause is lost, when your > > messenger causes your message to be lost. > > This is absolutely correct. > I had no idea who rms was until the current discussion. > Within ten minutes I came across an open letter demanding that the free > software foundation's entire board step down and that rms be removed. > This letter linked to gathered details about rms, not hearsay, but direct > posts with links from his own website, where he suggests that a women get > an abortion should she learn her child will have downs syndrome. > In Canada and elsewhere abortion is legal. This was the result of feminist activisim and the doctors who agreed that in some cases it is best to terminate a pregnancy. However abortinon is now universally available here, no questions asked, if a woman wants one. > And that laws against under age sex are wrong if the child is willing. > In Canada the age of consent is 16, absent positions of trust and even lower if both are in the 13 to 16 age group. I won't restate the rules for you, I'll just link to them. https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html Here is what Stallman actually said. "I think it is morally absurd to define 'rape' in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17," Stallman wrote. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/richard-stallman-leaves-mit-after-controversial-remarks-on-rape/ Certainly, there were comments about the ways associates have enabled rms, > working around his stance and behavior. but that paled when his own > words called into question why I, as an outsider to he subject, should > give any weight to his opinion...about anything. > I will take your word that he is a talented coder, contributing much to > the free software movement. > Such does not make him a suitable leader, if one cannot stop wondering > how he can make such statements about human beings, and their right to be > born. > We are all entitled to our own opinion, however it's hard to formulate an honest opinion if the facts are dishonest. Just my take, Karen > > -- Russell
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