Of late, wired Ethernet has required dongles mainly because the RJ45 jack is just too thick for modern laptop frames. Pop-out ones have been with us for a long time <https://twitter.com/lkarlslund/status/938695955850907651> in a number of designs <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fcJM6iunA> but are just too flimsy.
IOW, despite the modularity, you're still gonna need to carry a dongle with you in case you want more security, or your hotel room is still one of those that has a cable but no wifi. And I bought my 8-port dongle for less than the price of all but one of the Framework modules (and the one that was cheaper was just a passthrough USB-C). Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 13:16, Erica Peterson via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > They do offer a "DIY version" which you assemble yourself, and can also > ship without an OS. It is cheaper than the pre-configured models, but I'm > not sure how much of that is labor savings vs. the OS. > > There is no ethernet jack -- hopefully we'll see a module for that in the > future. The only built-in port is the 3.5mm headphone jack, and then you > get to choose ports for the four modules -- including USB-C for power. > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Monday, October 18th, 2021 at 1:03 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk < > [email protected]> wrote: > > This looks really promising. But short term unboxings and launch-time > reviews can only go so far. > > They've not taken sides on Linux vs Microsoft ... you pay the Windows tax > as everything ships with it. But they seem to do testing for its devices > under Linux, which would be extra important to me because of its many USB-C > modular adapters such as USB-C to HDMI and USB-C to DP. > I couldn't tell from the online info how fast it charges or if you can > attach wired Ethernet without a dongle (maybe that's a future module). > > Though the company has good backers, I'll still be wary of long-term > viability until it goes through at least a second generation of hardware. I > almost bought an Essential Phone and thought it would have staying power > too based on the pedigree of the founders. And having modular components is > fine so long as people are making and supporting the modules. I understand > they'll be publishing the specs and encouraging an ecosystem of modules and > accessories, but ... Essential promised that too. > > As some have said, a Ryzen-based motherboard will be welcome -- especially > since nobody seems to like Intel integrated graphics for games -- but given > the current Windows 11 problems with AMD the delay can be excused. > > I've added RAM and replaced batteries in "sealed" laptops and it wasn't > too hard. And the variety of dongles is such that any current laptop with a > PD-capable USB-C port is able to have external Ethernet and video no matter > what ports it ships with. This is the one I bought > <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002191574263.html> for the Ryzen > laptop I bought earlier this year. I won't need to upgrade for a while. by > then Framework will either have a solid track record or be gone. > > Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada > @evanleibovitch / @el56 > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Giles Orr via talk <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 18:42, GS via talk <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it. >> So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions >> you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus. >> > >> > >> https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ever-used-5415da0a46e5 >> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o >> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg >> > >> > On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote: >> > >> > I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now: >> > >> > >> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-laptop-gets-marketplace-for-all-those-modules >> > >> https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-marketplace-launches-spare-parts-upgrades-expansions >> > >> > and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it. >> >> Cory is good Toronto content, and among his many achievements, I think >> excessive honesty is one of them so yes, I'll trust his review. On >> the other hand, reading it is a bit more than a review of the >> Framework, as he lays into Lenovo's ThinkPads and mentions that he >> just had a hip replacement. Wait, what? I think of Cory as "young" >> (we shared some social groups many years back), what's he doing >> getting a hip replaced? Okay, I'm getting slightly off track (but >> then, so did he). >> >> I'm enthusiastic about the Framework, and am a likely purchaser ... >> but I have to admit I'm really, really hoping they come out with an >> AMD motherboard for the thing before I need my next laptop. That's >> the only thing I thought was missing: I'm not happy with Intel. 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