Personally ... I think even broader ideas like Dojo Offline (http:// dojotoolkit.org/offline) and Google Gears (http://gears.google.com/) takes it to an even further level which has not been tapped (yet). Now if only you can sneak it into a project ;-)

- Jon

On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Kenneth Downs wrote:

One thing that seems to have gone unsaid in the praise for Ajax is its ability to radically transform how we maintain state.

The web server session is our basic mechanism for storing information between requests. But it gets clumsier and clumsier to try to maintain complex state across many page requests when you use a session. Ingenious minds have put their will to the problem and come up with workable systems, but all of them are complicated because of the nature of the problem.

That problem, stated here, is simply the problem of tracking what I'll call the "context" of a user's session. Some elements of a session are fixed: the user id, the password, a few other things, but almost everything that we need to track is always changing. A basic example: a list of search results. Where do you store it? When the user hits, "NEXT PAGE", how do you know what to do? If you are using a session, what happens if he opens a new window and has two search results sets up for two different tables?

Ajax solves this problem neatly by letting you move all state [1] into the browser. This makes sense from an architectural viewpoint because we are putting this context information close to where it is needed, the UI. I've been converting the basic Andromeda UI code over to a completely AJAX system [1], and have found my code radically simplified and far smoother, due almost entirely to the moving of all state information to the browser. Hurray for Ajax!

[1] Here I'll use "state" to mean the changing context of user requests, and assume we are still using the session for User_id and password.

[2] Andromeda is used to make database applications for businesses, we don't care in this case about google following our links.


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