Thanks for sharing your experience.

The migrations technique looks extremely promising (and familiar :-) ...

http://doctrine.pengus.net/index.php/documentation/manual?chapter=migration

- Jon

On Nov 20, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Paul Houle wrote:

  I just finished a small project with symfony at

http://spoonriveranthology.net/

There are a lot of cool things about the site, such as a drag and drop editor for relationships between people, that are in an administrative interface that you can't see.

Overall I like the symfony approach to things: I've got slightly different opinions about how to configure multiple site instances, but it's easy to reconcile my ideas with symfony's.

I don't care for Propel ORM much -- in particular, Propel doesn't have good mechanisms for managing schema changes... Everything works OK if you never change your schema, but adding a plug-in after you've got data in your database may trash your database if you follow the instructions. I do like the idea, however, of putting my own methods on the ORM-generated classes. It can be a nice way to organize code.

Doctrine ORM , however, looks like a dream. My next symfony project will use Doctrine, even though that means fewer plugins and builders will be available.

Symfony's documentation is better than other PHP frameworks, but it's still in a place where I needed to look at the source code often to understand how things ~really~ work. That's unfortunate, because many of the people who need frameworks the most are people who'd be intimidated by the work to make them work.
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