Rada, Sorry for coming on so strong. I generally follow these lists for the technical discussion, and not the solicitations for work. I get annoyed when people don't let the market take care of lowball offers like this. You are right that people on this list in general command a better than $10.00/hr fee, and that's about living wage in the NY area.I know a security (as in rent a cop) company that pays people about that much to watch construction sites, and many of them are immigrants that are completely illiterate in both English and their native languages. So I do appreciate how little $10.00/hr is.
That being said, I started out programming for $8.00 an hour when I was hired to do clerical work. It was a benefit to both parties. It made their operations more efficient. It helped me to get a help desk position for more money, and lead me down a path to earning my current salary doing something I love. Without the crappy jobs I would not have ended up in my current good one. When I was at the stage of my life where I wasn't good enough to get paid a proper wage to program, I preffered to make a substandard wage programming to making a substandard wage doing something I didn't like. Regards, Justin Dearing http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/1193 On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Justin Dearing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rada, > > She did say it was a student and you get what you pay for. She could > do much less than $10 an hour if she went to rent a coder and this > student probably couldn't get better than $10 an hour if he or she was > working for this person. > > If this student no longer can do the work then one can assume they are > making better than $10 an hour. If no one is willing to do the work, > at that rate she will be forced to pay someone a higher rate. As a > photographer, she has to hire models, assistants, makeup people etc. > She's well aware of the costs of labor. > > Now if some 16 year old kids want to give it a go at $10 an hour I'd > say more power to him. It will probably take him three times as long. > Its not taking any food out of my mouth. I do business with people > that are willing and able to pay my rates, and I don't begrudge those > who deal with those jobs below my rate. I would have never had the > experience to be able to command my current salary if it were not for > me taking jobs that paid little and demanded too much. > > Regards, > > Justin Dearing > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:34 AM, -- rada -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Below are current Cut-off Wages for computer specialists from the New York >> State Department of Labor. These are not some extravagant rates. These are >> rates that the NYS DOL considers so low that if you are unemployed and >> someone offers you work below this rate, you can refuse the job without >> losing your unemployment insurance. Needless to say, nobody with a brain >> will work for cut-off wages, these are just examples of absolute rock-bottom >> rates. >> >> Occupation Cut-off Wage >> Computer Programmers $31.77 >> Computer Software Engineers $35.79 >> Computer Support Specialists $24.30 >> >> The above hourly rates are for full-time work. For less than 40 hours/week, >> the rates have to be proportionately higher. For example, if you are a >> "Computer Programmer", the hourly cut-off wage is $31.77 but the >> corresponding yearly wage is $74,626.00. >> To Susanna: >> This is a professional PHP community and frankly, your $10/hour for >> part-time work is inappropriate to the point of being insulting. You may >> think that an offer is just an offer and those who don't like it could >> simply pass on by, but I'd rather not see this online space turn into a >> craigslist ghetto with its infamous "looking for someone to build me >> a YouTube/Ebay combo for $1,000" ads. >> >> To fellow PHP developers: >> I know we are all flooded with work and don't necesarily have time for >> nonsense, but let's try and take care of each other. Save this link for the >> DOL minimum wages page and let unethical would-be clients know when they've >> crossed the line. For sample language, please refer to the No Spec project >> which contains lots of great examples like this. >> >> >> Sincerely >> Rada Lapsker >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online >> http://www.nyphpcon.com >> >> Show Your Participation in New York PHP >> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php >> > _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
