Hi Rod: OK, I just tested the cursor (arrow) key reading, the mouse reading and the WE Cursor while reading this message. All 3 speeds sound the same with no speedup when using the WE cursor as you indicated. It may be a window or something since reading yesterday with the WE key activated read significantly faster than with the mouse or the cursor (arrow) keys. I am not sure how to continue the test - how to determine what is reading where when a phantom word or word group or the word "graphic" is getting read since focus is changed to the correct position before I can do much so cant do something like route mouse to the phantom item being spoken. In the case of my CFAPlatform program I do know that the phantom words were most likely from a textbox on the screen while in that program I had set focus to the ListBox when the form opens. It also happened sometimes when I tabbed between either of the 2 text boxes and the ListBox as well - not all the time but on occasion making it dificult to try and run any controlled testing to try and determine debugging specifics. As for the reading speed up with the WE Cursor I am going from memory this morning so cant ReProduce that occurance but will give some thought to handle a test the next time it happens. There is definitly though something reading either under the mouse or the we cursor or something before focus reads the correct item on a screen but it doesn't happen with any regularity making analysis very tough since I cant stop things during speaking of the errant text being read for analysis of where, what, is being spoken. I don't really have a sighted person who would know anything to look for on the screen and in the case of where I hear the word "graphic" read wouldn't even know what to tell them to look for on a site like say Yahoo or Amazon - there are hundreds of links and likely hundreds of graphics in view at any time on these sites. I will go through every option, every setting in all the items in the WE Control Panel to see if I can find something relevant under the various reading features but as you mentioned I don't think I will find anything outside what Chip had mentioned about auto reading tool tips or whatever that option was called and that is already unchecked. I think there is a similar option someplace in the Windows Operating system someplace and I may look at that as well. But the speech was faster indeed when the errant text was being read and I think, now I am past the test and cant ReProduce it unless I get lucky, that the WE cursor was reading faster than either the mouse key or the cursor (arrow) keys in my test yesterday and since there are no individual settings - the mouse today reads at the same speed as the WE cursor over this message, I am pretty confused about my test results yesterday. Thought I had something useful to the discussion, we cursor reading faster errant text would have narrowed the problem down some. Today - not sure again. Since Windows 8.1, Internet Explorer and Websites like Amazon and Yahoo are so dynamic it is really hard to guess with any accuracy what is going on when this happens. The best bet was when it happened in my CFAPlatform program and I recognized the first couple words as coming from one of the TextBoxes instead of the ListBox where focus was set after the errant text was partially read before WE cut it off and continued reading in the list box as it was suppose to do. I think figuring out why WE read faster with the WE Cursor during the test yesterday, think it read faster in a document in NotePad as well as during the test, yet today the WE Cursor reads the same speed as the mouse cursor is right at this moment baffeling me. You mention it may read faster in a window or dialog of some type but that shouldn't happen unless something is changing the WE Cursor speed when this error happens and I am not aware of what could do this - unless something in a script changes or sets the WE Cursor speed temporarily and there doesn't seem any reason why a script would do this. Again, it isnt happening this morning so I cant do anything to try any ideas out and I really don't have any yet anyway. If I sound confused I am. Well, another day here in beautiful Farmington Michigan and a long day ahead of me so I will sign off unless I have something more to report. One thing: If I get errant reading during the day is there a way to read or ReRead what is under the cursor (arrow) key, the Mouse Key and the WE Cursor key without moving focus or changing anything - just read whatever is under these key positions on the screen? Rick USA
-----Original Message----- From: Rod Hutton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:07 PM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WE Problem Patterns Continued Hi Rick, It is my belief that it is not necessarily true that the fast speech is due to the WE cursor voice. Having checked the App Developer's reference manual, there is no separate setting for the rate of the WE cursor; Rather, if it is due to one of the floating cursors as it were, that is, either mouse or WE, then it must be the rate of the mouse voice. As I see it, then, the fast speech is either due to a window which has a fast rate for either screen voice or mouse voice. However, I think it is more likely that the fast speech you are hearing is due to a high rate for the screen voice in a specific window which is being triggered in Visual Studio and Internet explorer. Finding that trouble-maker window is the key, but it's obviously something common to both programs, Visual Studio and Internet Explorer. Actually, perhaps it's simpler to conclude that there is some window in the operating system in general which is being read at the wrong time. I hope this helps, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:57 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WE Problem Patterns Continued OK Guys: One problem for phantom reading is narrowed some. When I was working in my own project, developed in Visual Studio, and again while in Internet Explorer, there were a couple of phantom things read, or at least they started to read. In my project I have a list box and 2 text boxes on a form. When I tabbed into the list box I heard the first couple of words from inside one of the text boxes read at high speed indicating it was the WE Cursor reading it before the first line in the list box was read. The WE cursor was not turned on or active since the normal mouse cursor was active. After reading the first word and starting the second word we cancelled speech and continued in normal fashon with focus properly placed in the list box. The same thing happened in Internet Explorer only I think something in the supposedly closed Menu Bar were spoken fast, again indicating it was the WE Cursor and not the Mouse cursor nor the Focus of the normal cursor. Yesterday, per Chips suggestion I ensured the Speak Tool Tips was unchecked so this was not causing this problem and it is still turned off as I type this. This well may have caused the phantom word "graphic" to have been spoken as noted the past couple of days. Also when this happens it seems to take WindowEyes longer to get focus set properly and perhaps may muck up WindowEyes timing of other activities behind the scenes. Is there a setting that turns off even trying to read the WE Cursor as part of the WindowEyes behind the scenes processing of forms and pages? This appears to be one problem narrowed enough to ask about and perhaps identify as a bug if there is not a setting to stop this errant behavior. Rick USA _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
