Larry, The intention of my last email was two fold: 1. Confirm that Lou provided the correct techniques for interacting with combo boxes 2. Clarify that Alt-Down is not the correct technique for navigating choices in a combo box In your defense, there is a known issue in Window-Eyes related to combo boxes. This issue is not consistent but happens enough to be a pretty big annoyance. I regret not presenting this information before going on my rant about proper techniques. If you were in any way offended by my recent correspondence, I sincerely apologize. Sincerely, Marc
Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2016 11:08:43 PM Larry Higgins <[email protected]> wrote: > Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although > I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, > without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps > don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a > number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has > been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I > don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just > can't follow instructions. > > Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of > any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault > of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more > stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page > tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different > site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the > feature may not work at all. > > I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame > would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume > that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will > get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. > > I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated > by me this evening at least. > > As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press > the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to > go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right > to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. > > Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It > really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. > > Have a happy 4th, > > Larry > > On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that >> the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using >> the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best >> practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that >> these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This >> keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation >> to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box >> control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. >> Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for >> navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes >> feature. >> Best, >> Marc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site >> >> Hey, Larry. >> >> I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went >> there and logged in and did this. >> >> Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. >> Pressed enter to exit browse mode. >> Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. >> Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and >> called the control a list view. >> Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. >> Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. >> Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. >> Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what >> WE said. >> Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. >> >> In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down >> while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a >> new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination >> works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept >> me up kinda late. <wan smile>. >> >> Lou N. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk >> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM >> To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C >> Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site >> >> The combo box is author's last name. >> >> On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: >>> Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm? >>> Best, >>> Marc >>> >>> Sent with AquaMail for Android >>> http://www.aqua-mail.com >>> >>> >>> On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by >>>> author's last initial, and the other one is different jenre's box. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Marc Solomon via Talk >>>> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:42 PM >>>> To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site >>>> >>>> Larry, >>>> I don't know what combo box you are referring to. Can you please >>>> describe where the combo box is and how you navigate to it. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Marc >>>> >>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android >>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On July 1, 2016 6:06:37 PM Larry Higgins <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> >>>>> I just press enter on the combo box, turning off browse mode, then I >>>>> either arrow down through the letter options, or hold down the alt >>>>> key and do the same. I do not hear the chosen letter option spoken >>>>> at all, unless I tab away and back. I just don't think it is >>>>> supposed to work this way. >>>>> >>>>> As I've said before, the combo boxes aren't unnavigable, I can >>>>> simply press a desired letter and get to where I'm trying to go, but >>>>> I would like to have the other option open to me on this page, and >>>>> others like it. if at all possible. Who knows, maybe I just have a >>>>> wrong setting somewhere, or something. >>>>> >>>>> On 7/1/2016 2:25 PM, Marc Solomon wrote: >>>>>> Larry, >>>>>> I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Marc >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android >>>>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm using IE 11. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media >> combb.net. >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22 >> %40comcast.net. >>> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/fenderwal%40sb >> cglobal.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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