Hi: A lot of folks swear by JAWS simply because they'vee always used it and it has done what they need.
I bought WE because it did what I wanted, was cheaper, and I liked the licensing model, e.g. they did not use copy protection, meaning they trusted me, as a user, not to give copies away to someone else. I have respected that trust. I have used JAWS at my previous job, and, apart from learning the differences between the products, had no serious issues with either one. There are things one product does better than the other, but, over all, I can work with either one. I do like Window-Eyes' approach to screen review better than JAWS', because, in JAWS, you have to switch from PC cursor to JAWS cursor to do any kind of screen review. Window-Eyes, on the other hand, expects you to use the separate arrow keys to do actual movement, but, the numeric pad to do any reviewing of the screen. If you are in JAWS, and are using the JAWS cursor and try to use the separate set of arrow keys to move around a document or Web page, things do not work as expected, because you haven't gone back to PC Cursor. The JAWS method of things seems to harken back to the days of the old PC keyboard without the separate arrow keys, where the arrow keys were in conjunction with the numpad. But, if it's all you're used to, you know it anyway and work with it. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:12 PM To: Andre <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]>; 'Sky Mundell' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators? Something I've always wondered, anecdotal, but I know Jaws users who swear by Jaws. Why? Are they all ignorant? I don't have any plans to replace my WE with Jaws, but I bet if I had joined a Jaws list, I'd encounter blind consumers who have little positive to say about WE. So I'm asking, WE users to state why Jaws is terrible. I'm not interested in hearing about bad customer service or a lower price (I purchased WE because it was cheaper). I would like someone to address only the two products. On 2/23/2017 4:48 PM, Andre via Talk wrote: > I haven't said too much, but as someone who's been a customer of GW > Micro since 1990, my college days, I feel I should also be able to weigh in. > Simply I don't believe VFO cares about us Window-Eyes users whatsoever. > Therefore, unless the deal they might invent better work for me. > Otherwise they won't get my business as it shold be for all of us. We > vote with our wallets as do oher consumers. Obviously they could care less what we think. > Terrible PR is begotten by a lack of compassion or concern. You don't > get rid of 99% of the staff who helped make the product great and > expect to continue that great product line. That's the height of > errogance or stupidity, and that's how you destroy your competition. > You create a situation such that there is no competition. Gw Micro > merged with AISquared who then really sold out to be gobbled up by > VFO. It makes me sad. No doubt Doug knows exactly what's going on and > what the plan is for Window-Eyes, but unfortunately he isn't an > independent business owner any more. He now works for VFO and must > abide by VFO policies. I don't fault Doug though for making what he > felt was his best business decision. There are great reasons most of > us on this list stuck with Window-Eyes rather than to migrate to JAWS. > But why list them when they would fall on deaf ears - ears that don't care to listen. > > In this case, we can't vote at the polls since we have no vote that > would count at that table. We must vote with our wallets. Vote with > our voices on blogs. Vote simply by not supporting (if possible) any > future products produced by VFO. That may not be as possible as I > would like since they have eliminated much of the competition thereby > destroying much of the consumer's choice. This country through its > laws was supposed to support especially minority groups being > oppressed (and oppressed isn't even as strong a word than the one I > wanted to use). But anyway does any one really feel supported by > AISquared which really know doesn't exist now? It's all VFO. A real > merger would allow for the existence of AISquared, but it seems to be > apparent to me that this was nothing other than a complete buyout. > Hopefully there will be true alternatives to JAWS. I know NVDA is out > there, Narrator and Voiceover for the Mac. But Narrator and NVDA would > really have to come up a lot to even get anywhere close to where > Window-Eyes was. We'll have to lend some support to the NVDA > developers via donations. We all have to make our own business decisions and what works best for each of us. There isn't another company like GW Micro was. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:04 PM > To: 'Dave Bahr'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators? > > Did you ever use Window-Eyes in high school, elementary school, middle > school? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Dave Bahr via Talk > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:50 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Where are the informed comentators? > > I debated whether or not to weigh in on this, but as someone who has > literally grown up with window-eyes, I got my first computer in 1997 > at age > 10 with WE 2.0 on floppy discs, I felt that 20 years of using this > reader day in and day out warranted some sort of response. > > First, a recent story. I had a video driver issue with WE and the > latest build. I couldn't fix it. I did everything to tech support > person said that they would do. He remoted into the machine, no luck. > I reformatted the hard drive, which I had planned to do at some oint > to clean things up, and the driver issue is fixed, knock on wood. I > bring all of this up because I said, point blank, "I have had this > issue before and Aaron or Steve sat down with me and we figured it > out." The support person's response was, "those guys aren't here anymore, so ..." > So, it sounds like they have laid off the programmers and devs of > window-eyes, holding onto the most basic personelle to answer the most > basic of questions. Mine was a big curve ball, at least that's the way it felt. > > So, we'll see, I intend to hold on until the last because I cannot > afford JFW, my Voc Rehab case is closed, and not sure about learning a > new screen reader. Or then there's NVDA, free, but confusing for me. > Maybe it's easier than I think it is to learn the structure. > All for now, just my quick thoughts. > Thanks, Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:08 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]>; Loy > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Where are the informed comentators? > > Plans to cling to my current zt fusion and will refuse to upgrade. > The zt we combo works so well for me. > > > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never > promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls > Of Jericho > > Reeva > > On Feb 23, 2017 1:53 PM, "Loy via Talk" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I wonder if VFO even knows >> what they are going to do with Window Eyes. I was told that the >> current version of Fusion is powered by Window Eyes, but the next >> release will be powered by JAWS. ZoomText 11, just released says it >> works great with JAWS but no mention of WE. I asked support if ZT 11 >> would work with WE as well as ZT 10.1, the support person said >> management had not told them. Then later I got an email that said it > should. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:07 PM >> Subject: Where are the informed comentators? >> >> >> Hi all. >> >> List member comments regarding VFO support once again raise the question >> as to the future of Window-Eyes. For those who do not like this thred - >> hit delete "now." >> >> But for me - the burning question for sometime has been the absence of >> critical, informed insider comment. We are in need of an informed >> adaptive technology press, which by way of blog posts, interviews with >> leaders and knowledgeable opinion expression, shed light on what is >> happening in this access technology market place. >> >> I have not seen evidence of anyone running an in-depth interview with >> the executives of VFO. Neither have I seen inciteful comment on VFO's >> behaviours in areas such as customer relationships, product research and >> development, and the appropriateness of private equity funding of access >> technology. >> >> Based solely on the evidence i've gleaned from personal observation and >> the comments of fellow list members - VFO has no intention of >> rejuvenating Window-eyes. If the intentions were different, the"other >> software" option that people have referred to when talking about >> telephone support would say "Window-Eyes. VFO has not contacted me as a >> payed license holder to let me know of new offers and fancy tricks to >> have me spend more money. FS Podcasts are for the purposes of FS - >> not VFO. >> >> Oh well: time to put on the armour against the flaming I might get. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/ >> listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/ private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dcbahr1% > 40gmai > l.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40s > haw.ca > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/stepserv > e%40co > mcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40 msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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