I totally get what you are saying Vaughn.  JAWS has gotten so bloted that
how much better can it get?  I think in my opinion that JFW will soon be on
the way out.

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From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:44 PM
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws King of the Hill

Hi Dave.


Here in New Zealand we had "King of the Castle" - probably a reference to
our stupid allegiance to an absentee landlord - another topic for another
list.  We had to shout "I'm the King of the Castle" so that the rough and
tumble could begin.


Back to the topic in hand

  I agree with everything you've said about Jaws and its documentation.  
Absolutely hopeless.  And now: the software has got so bloated that you can
buy a suite of training materials, complete with an unwanted MP3 player for
the price of a top-up on the mortgage.

Blind Bargains are hoping to ask some questions - but will the discussions
by way of interviews at CSUN be cut and thrhust, or will VFO develop
circulated media releases which please VFO, but further antagonise paying
customers?

"Very fxxxxd off" has had eight months to say something - why hasn't it?

Sorry for the steal" "Grumpy Vaughan."




on 2/27/2017 6:16 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> For those of you who live outside the United States, over here, as
> children we played a kids game called King of the Hill.    You probably
> have something similar.
>
> This game is played outside and on a very small hill, so small that 
> only one person can stand on the top of the Hill at a time.
>
> at the start of the game, all Players are at the bottom of this little 
> hill.  When someone yells Go!  Everyone runs, Pushes, Pulls, Tackles, 
> and does what ever they need to do to get to the top of this Hill.  
> And if you happen to get there, once you are on the top, you do what 
> ever it takes to keep anyone else from dislodging you from the top spot.
>
> Tripping, Dragging, Pulling, yanking,  tackling, and if no one is 
> looking, Punching and kicking is allowed.  Anything to get the guy at 
> the top off, and for you to take his place.
>
> A rather rough and tumble game, probably outlawed these days. Since 
> most American children are Wrapped in three layers of Bubble Wrap 
> before they are allowed to go outside to play in the Sand Box.
>
> But, I do suspect JAWS of playing Dirty Pool when it came to putting 
> GW Micro out of Business.
>
> Seems today so many are quick to call a Lawyer to force someone 
> against their will to pay through the nose.
>
> Over the years, I have had friends that used Jaws, and most of them 
> knew next to nothing about Jaws or their computers, so I would help 
> them out, and occasionally call the Jaws Support line.
>
> I never had a good call.  Never!    And after calling twice the other
> day, in an attempt to get help with Window Eyes, I have yet to have a 
> good experience with the Support from the Company that owns Jaws and 
> now Window Eyes.
>
> Just one of the reasons why I haven't switched over to Jaws, and even 
> to this day, am very reluctant to do so.  I will when I am forced to 
> do so, because NVDA is not quite up to what I need a screen reader to do.
>
> I recall getting part of the Jaws manual, so I could read it to teach 
> a friend of mine something that should have been simple.  I did figure 
> it out, but that Jaws manual must have been written in some Foreign 
> language, and then translated to another foreign language, and then 
> that second foreign language manual was used to translate another 
> manual into English!
>
> That manual was not easy to follow, understand, or to get much of
> anything useful.   This was in the late 1990's, and I can only hope
> their manuals are better today than back then.
>
> Sorry to see that VFO has come out  as King of the Hill.   Time will
> tell if VFO is going to do anything with Window Eyes.  So far, the 
> Silence is not a good sign.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>

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