On 10/11/2017 3:22 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
VFO made a proposal to AI Squared AFTER AI Squared had acquired GW-Micro. I kinda wonder if AI Squared was told by VFO to get GW first in order to become a part of the VFO family. Nothing will ever be provenAs for jaws being better than NVDA, that may be a matter of opinion. I know an adaptive tech person that liked NVDA before Window-eyes was eliminated. Maybe he suspected W-e was on the way out. Nonetheless he said positive things about NVDA not jaws.As pointed out before it is good to have multiple screen readers. This is probably more necessary since Window-Eyes is waning.. Brenda On 10/11/2017 2:47 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:Jaws is a very good screen reader and it's better than NVDA unfortunately one of the two products had to go. VFO made a proposal to AI Squared to merge they didn't have to do that they chose to so being bitter to the makers of Jaws really serves nothing.-----Original Message-----From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim via TalkSent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:11 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Jim Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts Hi THERE!While I agree that Jaws could do more especially now that they have acquired Window-Eyes I haven't had a real issue with Jaws. I can read from the current line to the end of a document simply by pressing the 'insert+the down arrow key. I wonder what programs you are actually having issues with using Jaws? Yes, I use W.E. for many years and was sad to see it go, but I haven't really found any major issues with Jaws either. Wonder if you might give some specifics as to where your issues have been? I use Thunderbird, Office 2007 notepad, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome and several other programs regularly and I really don't seem to have any real problems with. Of course, I kept Window-Eyes on my computer a long with Narrator and NVDA so if I have issues with one screen reader I can fall back onto another that will more than likely work. As I have already said, I probably liked Window-Eye the best of all of them, but since Window-Eyes appears to be gone for the most part, I will simply have to make do with whatever I can use and the best of the remaining screen readers is still Jaws at least that is my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion<SMILE!>. I will continue to use Window-Eyes when I need to, at least until the windows updates render it unusable. Have A good 1! de<KF8LT><Jim>.s On 10-Oct-17 15:00, Charles Adkins via Talk wrote:it doesn’t seem like they affect products for the disabled does it? Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 10, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Tony C via Talk <[email protected]> wrote:No, but maybe Brainwashed. I quit using Jawws in 2004 because WE worked better with stuff I needed. Now Jaws still doesn't work well with a lot of very common programs.-----Original Message----- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:42 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some here, who swear by Jaws? They can't all be ignorant, can they? What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws. Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall stability of each reader.On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote: Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website, when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff, because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and Narrator do. So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2 thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need. 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