Right now it will only be available in the fall upgrade of Windows 10 or you 
can get it now if you are an insider.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: geodom--- via Talk 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


  But you can only get the new narrator if you are using windows ten, am I 
  right?  Pam.

  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Loy Green via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:54 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Loy Green
  Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

  I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of 
  the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window 
  Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn.  I have looked over the new 
  key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they 
  are more logical  and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking 
  forward to try the new  narrator.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: George Savory via Talk
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    Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM
    Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader


    On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
    > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or
    > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft 
  commands.
    >
    > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote:
    >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves
    >> or their products.  Pam.
    >>
    >> -----Original Message----- From: Tony C via Talk
    >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM
    >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
    >> Cc: Tony C
    >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao.
    >>
    >> -----Original Message----- From: geodom--- via Talk
    >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM
    >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
    >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
    >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> Oh yeah!  So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them!  Right!  Pam.
    >>
    >> -----Original Message----- From: Tony C via Talk
    >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM
    >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
    >> Cc: Tony C
    >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on
    >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not 
  speak.
    >> I
    >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start
    >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can
    >> turn
    >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because 
  it
    >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just 
  fine.
    >> I
    >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent 
  of
    >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT?
    >>
    >> -----Original Message----- From: geodom--- via Talk
    >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM
    >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
    >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net
    >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the
    >> box.
    >> Pam.
    >>
    >> -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Long via Talk
    >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM
    >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
    >> Cc: Dennis Long
    >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> Jaws is a very good screen reader.  People need to give it time.  You
    >> didn't
    >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: Talk
    >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com]
    >> On Behalf Of CJ&AA MAY via Talk
    >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM
    >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
    >> Cc: CJ&AA MAY
    >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it 
  would
    >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the 
  Microsoft
    >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went
    >> over
    >> to Jaws.
    >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as
    >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the 
  Windows
    >> operating system.
    >>
    >> Alison
    >>
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: Talk <talk-bounces+chrisalismay=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com> 
  On
    >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
    >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57
    >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
    >> Cc: George Savory <gsav...@gmail.com>
    >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver
    >>
    >> Listers,
    >> Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be 
  updated,
    >> I
    >> am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on
    >> my
    >> iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work
    >> well
    >> with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading 
  a
    >> screen reader  everytime there is an upgrade
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