On 4 Mar 2009, at 10:29, David Earl wrote: > On 04/03/2009 18:06, Gustav Foseid wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David Earl >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> They used the map to pin the locations - the points did not come >> from >> some other map. Therefore it is derived (this is precisely the >> problem >> with pinning pictures on a Google or OSM map). So if they put >> the data >> in a database (= spreadsheet for example) before printing it, >> that would >> be derived, surely. >> >> >> The coordinates came from a Produced Work (some map image og paper >> map). >> As I read the license, works (or databases) based on a Produced >> Work is >> not subject to the conditions of the ODbL. > > OK, I agree. > > Clause 4.7 (reverse engineering) though prevents people from > recreating > the database from a produced work.
That was something by the way OSMF asked for. I can't remember if it was Richard 'fake stevec' F, andy or me. But I remember the discussion vividly when we met Jordan I think the first time. > So if they're just pinning the > locations on the paper map, that's fine. But if they are reading off > the > lat/lon from the margins (or from the pixel coordinates on screen) and > recording that, then it would depend entirely on the interpretation of > whether what's been done is a "Substantial part" or not. David this is where you need to ask a lawyer. :-) Happily I have - substantive follows the language of the EUDD... which is totally open to interpretation as I understand it. I'll repeat... lets queue up all these questions and get them answered. I think it would be a beautiful day if it was seen as bad form to use 'IANAL' and everything like that was instead rephrased as 'lets ask a lawyer and I wont give you my opinion' > Presumably not > in this case, but when it becomes Substantial is not well defined and > would probably need a test case. Some guidance to people would > probably > be helpful (e.g. for the sake of argument, just quoting grid > references > with reference to a map image is not infringing, even in large > quantities, but tracing over the map image is). > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > Best Steve _______________________________________________ talk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
